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  • Mark Pulver
    ... heh-heh... You can t get rid of me as easy as moving forums! ... What the heck are you trying to do? :) Oh man!!! You re a nut case! Here s 4... :0
    Message 1 of 11 , Nov 12, 1999
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      Jody (04:50 PM 11/12/1999) wrote:

      >Gee, we meet up again Mark!

      heh-heh... You can't get rid of me as easy as moving forums!


      >> Sometimes, I really hate the hacks you have to do in HTML...
      >
      >You and I both! Thanks for the fix. Guess you can image where
      >I am taking this next, might even do a triple! <g>

      What the heck are you trying to do? :)

      Oh man!!! You're a nut case!

      Here's 4... :0

      <TABLE BORDER=5 CELLPADDING=1 CELLSPACING=1 BGCOLOR=#000000
      BORDERCOLORDARK=#FFCC00 BORDERCOLORLIGHT=#FF9933>
      <TR><TD>
      <TABLE BORDER=1 BGCOLOR=#000000 BORDERCOLOR=#FF9933>
      <TR><TD>
      <TABLE BORDER=1 BGCOLOR=#000000 BORDERCOLOR=#FF9900>
      <TR><TD>
      <TABLE BORDER=1 BGCOLOR=#000000 BORDERCOLOR=#FF9933>
      <TR><TD>
      <IMG SRC="foo.gif" ALIGN=LEFT VSPACE=0 HSPACE=0>
      </TABLE>
      </TABLE>
      </TABLE>
      </TABLE>
      <P>


      btw, when coding "HTML for speed" (I wrote an HTML server for an embedded
      piece of hardware) it's a neat trick to be able to drop the closing tags
      </TR> and </TD>. It saves a good amount of time/bandwidth when you really
      need to. :)

      IE and NS are both okay with this. In fact, IE will let you drop /TABLE,
      /BODY and /HTML as well.

      And... if you're pushing fonts within table data elements, you can drop
      *all* of the closing tags like /FONT, /B, /U, etc...

      Have fun!

      Mark
    • Jody
      Hi Mark ... Thanks!-) OK, you can see the results now of Album Express with some minor editing, but not much: http://www.sureword.com/album/
      Message 2 of 11 , Nov 13, 1999
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        Hi Mark

        >> I am taking this next, might even do a triple! <g>
        >
        > What the heck are you trying to do? :)
        >
        > Oh man!!! You're a nut case!

        Thanks!-) OK, you can see the results now of Album Express with
        some minor editing, but not much:

        http://www.sureword.com/album/
        http://www.sureword.com/album/albums/index.htm


        >IE and NS are both okay with this. In fact, IE will let you drop /TABLE,
        >/BODY and /HTML as well.

        >And... if you're pushing fonts within table data elements, you can drop
        >*all* of the closing tags like /FONT, /B, /U, etc...

        Thanks! That's some good to know stuff after digging fence posts
        holes for a number of hours. ;)

        Mail is really lagging. ;(

        Nite...

        Happy Album Mak'n!
        -jody

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      • Michael Gerholdt
        Jody et al: Suggestions have been appropriate but not complete.
        Message 3 of 11 , Nov 13, 1999
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          Jody et al:

          Suggestions have been appropriate but not complete.

          <TABLE CELLPADDING="0" CELLSPACING="0" BORDER="0">
          <TR><TD><IMG BORDER="0" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"--OTHER
          INFO--></TD></TR><TR><TD><IMG BORDER="0"

          What is salient in the above:

          1) cellpadding and cellspacing and border set to 0 in table
          2) border set to 0 in image
          3) hspace and vspace set to 0 in image
          4) no hard returns between <tr> and <td> or <td> and <img ....> or the
          latter and </td> or between </td> and </tr>

          The last is due to buglet stuff in Netscape in which hard return is
          incorrectly interpreted as white space; I don't know if you experiment with
          multiple browsers but you'll see that IE doesn't do the same thing.

          If you want a border in the table set it as you wish and the rest should
          still stand you in good stead.

          If equal spacing around the image instead of none anywhere, see about using
          align="center" and valign="middle" in the <td> tag

          hope this is of help

          Thanks,
          --Michael Gerholdt
        • Jody
          Hi Michael, ... Yes, I knew about that, but only wrap when I need to, because I cannot stand having to wrap my tables and fonts. I find that the only time I
          Message 4 of 11 , Nov 13, 1999
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            Hi Michael,

            >What is salient in the above:
            >
            >1) cellpadding and cellspacing and border set to 0 in table
            >2) border set to 0 in image
            >3) hspace and vspace set to 0 in image
            >4) no hard returns between <tr> and <td> or <td> and <img ....> or the
            >latter and </td> or between </td> and </tr>

            Yes, I knew about that, but only wrap when I need to, because I
            cannot stand having to wrap my tables and fonts. I find that the
            only time I need to wrap it for my simple code is when the is a
            link in between whatever I'm doing.

            I also found that Netscape seems to need all its attributes even
            if setting to "0" like you showed in some cases and I found out
            from this thread that IE needs them for certain things I try to
            do. I use to add them all by default just because I saw others
            do it, but in a lot of case they aren't needed. I am going back
            to putting them all in and set to "0" unless I want to use them
            of course.

            Thanks for the info Michael and others.

            I have one last problem that I can see:

            http://www.sureword.com/album/albums/index.htm

            I cannot get the bottom horizontal scrollbar to work in NS. If
            you look at it in IE that is the way I want it with all the
            thumbnails on one line with no wrap unless it reaches 1024 pixels
            which is what I have the width set to. Without it NS only showed
            2.5 thumbnails. ;( I set it to SCROLLING=yes to force it, but I
            only get and inactivated scrollbar which makes sense otherwise NS
            would have built the scrollbar.

            So, anybody got a fix for me?

            http://www.sureword.com/album/albums/index.htm

            Happy HTML'n!
            Jody

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          • Michael Gerholdt
            Maybe it s this: you are limiting the width of your table here to screen size. IE is disobeying you, but NN is being obedient! So it is IE
            Message 5 of 11 , Nov 13, 1999
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              Maybe it's this:

              <TABLE WIDTH="100%">

              you are limiting the width of your table here to screen size. IE is
              disobeying you, but NN is being obedient! So it is IE you should be unhappy
              with!

              let me know if this guess is correct . . .

              Thanks,
              --Michael Gerholdt
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: Jody <KJB1611@...>
              To: <ntb-html@egroups.com>
              Sent: Saturday, November 13, 1999 8:02 PM
              Subject: [NH] Re: Tables & Images


              > Hi Michael,
              >
              > >What is salient in the above:
              > >
              > >1) cellpadding and cellspacing and border set to 0 in table
              > >2) border set to 0 in image
              > >3) hspace and vspace set to 0 in image
              > >4) no hard returns between <tr> and <td> or <td> and <img ....> or the
              > >latter and </td> or between </td> and </tr>
              >
              > Yes, I knew about that, but only wrap when I need to, because I
              > cannot stand having to wrap my tables and fonts. I find that the
              > only time I need to wrap it for my simple code is when the is a
              > link in between whatever I'm doing.
              >
              > I also found that Netscape seems to need all its attributes even
              > if setting to "0" like you showed in some cases and I found out
              > from this thread that IE needs them for certain things I try to
              > do. I use to add them all by default just because I saw others
              > do it, but in a lot of case they aren't needed. I am going back
              > to putting them all in and set to "0" unless I want to use them
              > of course.
              >
              > Thanks for the info Michael and others.
              >
              > I have one last problem that I can see:
              >
              > http://www.sureword.com/album/albums/index.htm
              >
              > I cannot get the bottom horizontal scrollbar to work in NS. If
              > you look at it in IE that is the way I want it with all the
              > thumbnails on one line with no wrap unless it reaches 1024 pixels
              > which is what I have the width set to. Without it NS only showed
              > 2.5 thumbnails. ;( I set it to SCROLLING=yes to force it, but I
              > only get and inactivated scrollbar which makes sense otherwise NS
              > would have built the scrollbar.
              >
              > So, anybody got a fix for me?
              >
              > http://www.sureword.com/album/albums/index.htm
              >
              > Happy HTML'n!
              > Jody
              >
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            • Jody
              Hi Michael, ... OH, I did change it to that - forgot about it till you reminded me. ... OK, I understand that since I have 1500 pixels plus a few with 10
              Message 6 of 11 , Nov 13, 1999
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                Hi Michael,

                > <TABLE WIDTH="100%">

                OH, I did change it to that - forgot about it till you reminded me.

                > you are limiting the width of your table here to screen size.
                > IE is disobeying you, but NN is being obedient! So it is IE you
                > should be unhappy with!

                OK, I understand that since I have 1500 pixels plus a few with 10
                thumbnails at WIDTH=150. Still, I would think I should have got
                a scrollbar and then it wrap at 1024. It is wrapped in a table -
                uh - why -uh - I don't know - haha. OK I was using the table
                before to limit the width to 150*4+15 so the t-nails would wrap
                at that point.

                I am going to try taking the table out and use a couple of
                &;bns$%&* haha spaces in between the. I suspect the table is
                hosing it. ARGH!!!

                Thanks for your trying to help; works fine without the table.

                Looks like eGroups is picking up its speed again - it has been
                really lagged and so has att. Perhaps there are some major
                backbones down in a fiber cut or...

                Happy HTML'n!
                Jody

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              • Jody
                Hi All, Here is the relevant part of the post from Mark:
                Message 7 of 11 , Feb 18, 2000
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                  Hi All,

                  Here is the relevant part of the post from Mark:

                  <TABLE BORDER=5 CELLPADDING=1 CELLSPACING=1 BGCOLOR=#000000
                  BORDERCOLORDARK=#FFCC00 BORDERCOLORLIGHT=#FF9933>
                  <TR><TD>
                  <TABLE BORDER=1 BGCOLOR=#000000 BORDERCOLOR=#FF9933>
                  <TR><TD>
                  <TABLE BORDER=1 BGCOLOR=#000000 BORDERCOLOR=#FF9900>
                  <TR><TD>
                  <TABLE BORDER=1 BGCOLOR=#000000 BORDERCOLOR=#FF9933>
                  <TR><TD>
                  <IMG SRC="foo.gif" ALIGN=LEFT VSPACE=0 HSPACE=0>
                  </TABLE>
                  </TABLE>
                  </TABLE>
                  </TABLE>
                  <P>

                  btw, when coding "HTML for speed" (I wrote an HTML server for an embedded
                  piece of hardware) it's a neat trick to be able to drop the closing tags
                  </TR> and </TD>. It saves a good amount of time/bandwidth when you really
                  need to. :)

                  IE and NS are both okay with this. In fact, IE will let you drop /TABLE,
                  /BODY and /HTML as well.

                  And... if you're pushing fonts within table data elements, you can drop
                  *all* of the closing tags like /FONT, /B, /U, etc...

                  Have fun!

                  Mark

                  Happy HTML'n!
                  Jody

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