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  • Jody
    Hi Mark, Gee, we meet up again Mark! Thanks Brent but that was a no go with what I needed to do. ... You and I both! Thanks for the fix. Guess you can image
    Message 1 of 11 , Nov 12, 1999
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      Hi Mark,

      Gee, we meet up again Mark! Thanks Brent but that was a no go
      with what I needed to do.

      > Sometimes, I really hate the hacks you have to do in HTML...

      You and I both! Thanks for the fix. Guess you can image where
      I am taking this next, might even do a triple! <g>

      Best viewed in IE:

      <TABLE BORDER=5 CELLPADDING=1 CELLSPACING=1 BGCOLOR=#000000 BORDERCOLORDARK=#FFCC00 BORDERCOLORLIGHT=#FF9933>
      <TR>
      <TD>
      <TABLE BORDER=1 BGCOLOR=#000000 BORDERCOLOR=#FF9933>
      <TR>
      <TD>
      <IMG SRC="file:///e|/album/samples/switzerland.jpg" WIDTH=640 HEIGHT=381 ALIGN=LEFT VSPACE=0 HSPACE=0 ALT="Switzerland">
      </TD>
      </TR>
      </TABLE>
      </TD>
      </TR>
      </TABLE><P>

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    • Jody
      Hi Jaguwar, ... Thanks - that is what I use to do, but it does work well or I had problems with it when do hacks with the rest of the code like I just sent.
      Message 2 of 11 , Nov 12, 1999
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        Hi Jaguwar,

        > <td><img src="imagename.jpg" border="0" alt=""></td>

        Thanks - that is what I use to do, but it does work well
        or I had problems with it when do hacks with the rest of
        the code like I just sent.

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      • Mark Pulver
        ... heh-heh... You can t get rid of me as easy as moving forums! ... What the heck are you trying to do? :) Oh man!!! You re a nut case! Here s 4... :0
        Message 3 of 11 , Nov 12, 1999
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          Jody (04:50 PM 11/12/1999) wrote:

          >Gee, we meet up again Mark!

          heh-heh... You can't get rid of me as easy as moving forums!


          >> Sometimes, I really hate the hacks you have to do in HTML...
          >
          >You and I both! Thanks for the fix. Guess you can image where
          >I am taking this next, might even do a triple! <g>

          What the heck are you trying to do? :)

          Oh man!!! You're a nut case!

          Here's 4... :0

          <TABLE BORDER=5 CELLPADDING=1 CELLSPACING=1 BGCOLOR=#000000
          BORDERCOLORDARK=#FFCC00 BORDERCOLORLIGHT=#FF9933>
          <TR><TD>
          <TABLE BORDER=1 BGCOLOR=#000000 BORDERCOLOR=#FF9933>
          <TR><TD>
          <TABLE BORDER=1 BGCOLOR=#000000 BORDERCOLOR=#FF9900>
          <TR><TD>
          <TABLE BORDER=1 BGCOLOR=#000000 BORDERCOLOR=#FF9933>
          <TR><TD>
          <IMG SRC="foo.gif" ALIGN=LEFT VSPACE=0 HSPACE=0>
          </TABLE>
          </TABLE>
          </TABLE>
          </TABLE>
          <P>


          btw, when coding "HTML for speed" (I wrote an HTML server for an embedded
          piece of hardware) it's a neat trick to be able to drop the closing tags
          </TR> and </TD>. It saves a good amount of time/bandwidth when you really
          need to. :)

          IE and NS are both okay with this. In fact, IE will let you drop /TABLE,
          /BODY and /HTML as well.

          And... if you're pushing fonts within table data elements, you can drop
          *all* of the closing tags like /FONT, /B, /U, etc...

          Have fun!

          Mark
        • Jody
          Hi Mark ... Thanks!-) OK, you can see the results now of Album Express with some minor editing, but not much: http://www.sureword.com/album/
          Message 4 of 11 , Nov 13, 1999
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            Hi Mark

            >> I am taking this next, might even do a triple! <g>
            >
            > What the heck are you trying to do? :)
            >
            > Oh man!!! You're a nut case!

            Thanks!-) OK, you can see the results now of Album Express with
            some minor editing, but not much:

            http://www.sureword.com/album/
            http://www.sureword.com/album/albums/index.htm


            >IE and NS are both okay with this. In fact, IE will let you drop /TABLE,
            >/BODY and /HTML as well.

            >And... if you're pushing fonts within table data elements, you can drop
            >*all* of the closing tags like /FONT, /B, /U, etc...

            Thanks! That's some good to know stuff after digging fence posts
            holes for a number of hours. ;)

            Mail is really lagging. ;(

            Nite...

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          • Michael Gerholdt
            Jody et al: Suggestions have been appropriate but not complete.
            Message 5 of 11 , Nov 13, 1999
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              Jody et al:

              Suggestions have been appropriate but not complete.

              <TABLE CELLPADDING="0" CELLSPACING="0" BORDER="0">
              <TR><TD><IMG BORDER="0" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"--OTHER
              INFO--></TD></TR><TR><TD><IMG BORDER="0"

              What is salient in the above:

              1) cellpadding and cellspacing and border set to 0 in table
              2) border set to 0 in image
              3) hspace and vspace set to 0 in image
              4) no hard returns between <tr> and <td> or <td> and <img ....> or the
              latter and </td> or between </td> and </tr>

              The last is due to buglet stuff in Netscape in which hard return is
              incorrectly interpreted as white space; I don't know if you experiment with
              multiple browsers but you'll see that IE doesn't do the same thing.

              If you want a border in the table set it as you wish and the rest should
              still stand you in good stead.

              If equal spacing around the image instead of none anywhere, see about using
              align="center" and valign="middle" in the <td> tag

              hope this is of help

              Thanks,
              --Michael Gerholdt
            • Jody
              Hi Michael, ... Yes, I knew about that, but only wrap when I need to, because I cannot stand having to wrap my tables and fonts. I find that the only time I
              Message 6 of 11 , Nov 13, 1999
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                Hi Michael,

                >What is salient in the above:
                >
                >1) cellpadding and cellspacing and border set to 0 in table
                >2) border set to 0 in image
                >3) hspace and vspace set to 0 in image
                >4) no hard returns between <tr> and <td> or <td> and <img ....> or the
                >latter and </td> or between </td> and </tr>

                Yes, I knew about that, but only wrap when I need to, because I
                cannot stand having to wrap my tables and fonts. I find that the
                only time I need to wrap it for my simple code is when the is a
                link in between whatever I'm doing.

                I also found that Netscape seems to need all its attributes even
                if setting to "0" like you showed in some cases and I found out
                from this thread that IE needs them for certain things I try to
                do. I use to add them all by default just because I saw others
                do it, but in a lot of case they aren't needed. I am going back
                to putting them all in and set to "0" unless I want to use them
                of course.

                Thanks for the info Michael and others.

                I have one last problem that I can see:

                http://www.sureword.com/album/albums/index.htm

                I cannot get the bottom horizontal scrollbar to work in NS. If
                you look at it in IE that is the way I want it with all the
                thumbnails on one line with no wrap unless it reaches 1024 pixels
                which is what I have the width set to. Without it NS only showed
                2.5 thumbnails. ;( I set it to SCROLLING=yes to force it, but I
                only get and inactivated scrollbar which makes sense otherwise NS
                would have built the scrollbar.

                So, anybody got a fix for me?

                http://www.sureword.com/album/albums/index.htm

                Happy HTML'n!
                Jody

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              • Michael Gerholdt
                Maybe it s this: you are limiting the width of your table here to screen size. IE is disobeying you, but NN is being obedient! So it is IE
                Message 7 of 11 , Nov 13, 1999
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                  Maybe it's this:

                  <TABLE WIDTH="100%">

                  you are limiting the width of your table here to screen size. IE is
                  disobeying you, but NN is being obedient! So it is IE you should be unhappy
                  with!

                  let me know if this guess is correct . . .

                  Thanks,
                  --Michael Gerholdt
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: Jody <KJB1611@...>
                  To: <ntb-html@egroups.com>
                  Sent: Saturday, November 13, 1999 8:02 PM
                  Subject: [NH] Re: Tables & Images


                  > Hi Michael,
                  >
                  > >What is salient in the above:
                  > >
                  > >1) cellpadding and cellspacing and border set to 0 in table
                  > >2) border set to 0 in image
                  > >3) hspace and vspace set to 0 in image
                  > >4) no hard returns between <tr> and <td> or <td> and <img ....> or the
                  > >latter and </td> or between </td> and </tr>
                  >
                  > Yes, I knew about that, but only wrap when I need to, because I
                  > cannot stand having to wrap my tables and fonts. I find that the
                  > only time I need to wrap it for my simple code is when the is a
                  > link in between whatever I'm doing.
                  >
                  > I also found that Netscape seems to need all its attributes even
                  > if setting to "0" like you showed in some cases and I found out
                  > from this thread that IE needs them for certain things I try to
                  > do. I use to add them all by default just because I saw others
                  > do it, but in a lot of case they aren't needed. I am going back
                  > to putting them all in and set to "0" unless I want to use them
                  > of course.
                  >
                  > Thanks for the info Michael and others.
                  >
                  > I have one last problem that I can see:
                  >
                  > http://www.sureword.com/album/albums/index.htm
                  >
                  > I cannot get the bottom horizontal scrollbar to work in NS. If
                  > you look at it in IE that is the way I want it with all the
                  > thumbnails on one line with no wrap unless it reaches 1024 pixels
                  > which is what I have the width set to. Without it NS only showed
                  > 2.5 thumbnails. ;( I set it to SCROLLING=yes to force it, but I
                  > only get and inactivated scrollbar which makes sense otherwise NS
                  > would have built the scrollbar.
                  >
                  > So, anybody got a fix for me?
                  >
                  > http://www.sureword.com/album/albums/index.htm
                  >
                  > Happy HTML'n!
                  > Jody
                  >
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                • Jody
                  Hi Michael, ... OH, I did change it to that - forgot about it till you reminded me. ... OK, I understand that since I have 1500 pixels plus a few with 10
                  Message 8 of 11 , Nov 13, 1999
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                    Hi Michael,

                    > <TABLE WIDTH="100%">

                    OH, I did change it to that - forgot about it till you reminded me.

                    > you are limiting the width of your table here to screen size.
                    > IE is disobeying you, but NN is being obedient! So it is IE you
                    > should be unhappy with!

                    OK, I understand that since I have 1500 pixels plus a few with 10
                    thumbnails at WIDTH=150. Still, I would think I should have got
                    a scrollbar and then it wrap at 1024. It is wrapped in a table -
                    uh - why -uh - I don't know - haha. OK I was using the table
                    before to limit the width to 150*4+15 so the t-nails would wrap
                    at that point.

                    I am going to try taking the table out and use a couple of
                    &;bns$%&* haha spaces in between the. I suspect the table is
                    hosing it. ARGH!!!

                    Thanks for your trying to help; works fine without the table.

                    Looks like eGroups is picking up its speed again - it has been
                    really lagged and so has att. Perhaps there are some major
                    backbones down in a fiber cut or...

                    Happy HTML'n!
                    Jody

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                  • Jody
                    Hi All, Here is the relevant part of the post from Mark:
                    Message 9 of 11 , Feb 18, 2000
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                      Hi All,

                      Here is the relevant part of the post from Mark:

                      <TABLE BORDER=5 CELLPADDING=1 CELLSPACING=1 BGCOLOR=#000000
                      BORDERCOLORDARK=#FFCC00 BORDERCOLORLIGHT=#FF9933>
                      <TR><TD>
                      <TABLE BORDER=1 BGCOLOR=#000000 BORDERCOLOR=#FF9933>
                      <TR><TD>
                      <TABLE BORDER=1 BGCOLOR=#000000 BORDERCOLOR=#FF9900>
                      <TR><TD>
                      <TABLE BORDER=1 BGCOLOR=#000000 BORDERCOLOR=#FF9933>
                      <TR><TD>
                      <IMG SRC="foo.gif" ALIGN=LEFT VSPACE=0 HSPACE=0>
                      </TABLE>
                      </TABLE>
                      </TABLE>
                      </TABLE>
                      <P>

                      btw, when coding "HTML for speed" (I wrote an HTML server for an embedded
                      piece of hardware) it's a neat trick to be able to drop the closing tags
                      </TR> and </TD>. It saves a good amount of time/bandwidth when you really
                      need to. :)

                      IE and NS are both okay with this. In fact, IE will let you drop /TABLE,
                      /BODY and /HTML as well.

                      And... if you're pushing fonts within table data elements, you can drop
                      *all* of the closing tags like /FONT, /B, /U, etc...

                      Have fun!

                      Mark

                      Happy HTML'n!
                      Jody

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