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  • James Holzbauer
    Ok, making progress here. I deleted the folder in notetabs called images , then went and made a new folder on c called images thus: c:/images, now has
    Message 1 of 28 , Dec 28, 2000
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      Ok, making progress here. I deleted the folder in notetabs
      called "images", then went and made a new folder on "c"
      called "images"

      thus: c:/images, now has pictures in it....

      Now the line reads: <p align="center"><img
      src="c:/images/dog_ice_cream.jpg"></p>
      except, the image will not align center. only to the left. Could it
      be that the image is too large? I can't get an image to do anything
      except "align left"..
      If I move the image to some other line below that one, I can move it
      left, right and center. Not sure why tho....
      It's a learning process...
      Thanks to all the responded.
      de jim
    • Lotta
      Hi Jim, ... That should and does center the image. What is disturbing things is impossible to say without seeing the rest. You haven t put the image inside
      Message 2 of 28 , Dec 28, 2000
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        Hi Jim,

        At 00:44 2000-12-29, you wrote:
        >Now the line reads: <p align="center"><img
        >src="c:/images/dog_ice_cream.jpg"></p>
        >except, the image will not align center.

        That should and does center the image. What is disturbing things is
        impossible to say without seeing the rest. You haven't put the image inside
        something else, like a table that is left aligned?

        Lotta

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      • Harvey R. Savage
        ... Hi de, You might also try this line. hrs
        Message 3 of 28 , Dec 28, 2000
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          James Holzbauer wrote:
          >
          > Ok, making progress here. I deleted the folder in notetabs
          > called "images", then went and made a new folder on "c"
          > called "images"
          >
          > thus: c:/images, now has pictures in it....
          >
          > Now the line reads: <p align="center"><img
          > src="c:/images/dog_ice_cream.jpg"></p>
          > except, the image will not align center. only to the left. Could it
          > be that the image is too large? I can't get an image to do anything
          > except "align left"..
          > If I move the image to some other line below that one, I can move it
          > left, right and center. Not sure why tho....

          > de jim
          >

          Hi de,

          You might also try this line.

          <img align="center" src="c:/images/dog_ice_cream.jpg">

          hrs
        • Lotta
          Hi, ... Sorry, but if it isn t new there is no such attribute for this element as the validators say. Lotta
          Message 4 of 28 , Dec 28, 2000
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            Hi,

            At 01:16 2000-12-29, you wrote:
            >You might also try this line.
            >
            ><img align="center" src="c:/images/dog_ice_cream.jpg">

            Sorry, but if it isn't new "there is no such attribute for this element" as
            the validators say. <G>

            Lotta
          • Lotta
            Hi Jody, ... And the standard ones are: ALIGN=left|right|top|middle|bottom And they don t do exactly what you might think. Lotta
            Message 5 of 28 , Dec 28, 2000
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              Hi Jody,

              > From HTMLib
              ><IMG ALIGN=left|right|top|texttop|middle|absmiddle|baseline|bottom|absbottom>

              And the standard ones are:
              ALIGN=left|right|top|middle|bottom

              And they don't do exactly what you might think.

              Lotta
            • Jody
              Hi Lotta, ... From HTMLib which can be run right from NoteTab s Help menu. This is version three, but I imagine it is still the same.
              Message 6 of 28 , Dec 28, 2000
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                Hi Lotta,

                >><img align="center" src="c:/images/dog_ice_cream.jpg">
                >
                >Sorry, but if it isn't new "there is no such attribute for this
                >element" as the validators say. <G>

                From HTMLib which can be run right from NoteTab's Help menu.
                This is version three, but I imagine it is still the same.

                <IMG ALIGN=left|right|top|texttop|middle|absmiddle|baseline|bottom|absbottom>

                Happy HTML'n!
                Jody

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              • Harvey R. Savage
                ... Hi Jody, Too bad, center is not one of the parameters, I erred. hrs
                Message 7 of 28 , Dec 28, 2000
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                  Jody wrote:
                  >
                  >
                  > <IMG ALIGN=left|right|top|texttop|middle|absmiddle|baseline|bottom|absbottom>
                  >
                  > Happy HTML'n!
                  > Jody
                  >
                  Hi Jody,

                  Too bad, center is not one of the parameters, I erred.

                  hrs
                • Jody
                  Hi Lotta, ... Me no think so well or simple as in aligns what, where? From HTMLib 3 which is real easy to search for a tag from NoteTab, Click, type in
                  Message 8 of 28 , Dec 28, 2000
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                    Hi Lotta,

                    >And the standard ones are:
                    >ALIGN=left|right|top|middle|bottom
                    >
                    >And they don't do exactly what you might think.

                    Me no think so well or simple as in aligns what, where? <g> From
                    HTMLib 3 which is real easy to search for a tag from NoteTab,
                    Click, type in <tag and click. There is an easy comparison
                    chart, hypers to all attributes (which are on the same page) and
                    a See Also link. It is a must have for weekend HTML hobbyist
                    like me. See Help on installation instructions. Version 3 is
                    not as up to date as 4 and you have to have IE4 or higher for it
                    to work. I have setup instructions for version 3 if you want it.
                    It is much faster than v4 because it is not done with the
                    multimedia stuff.

                    Get ver. 3 at:
                    http://www.hooked.net/~tails/htmlib/

                    Get ver. 4 at:
                    http://www.htmlib.com/

                    ALIGN

                    <IMG ALIGN=left|right|top|texttop|middle|absmiddle|baseline|bottom|absbottom>

                    ALIGN=left image will float the image to the left margin (into
                    the next available space there), and subsequent text will wrap
                    around the right hand side of that image.
                    ALIGN=right will align the image aligns with the right margin,
                    and the text wraps around the left.

                    ALIGN=top aligns itself with the top of the tallest item in the line.
                    ALIGN=texttop aligns itself with the top of the tallest text in
                    the line (this is usually but not always the same as ALIGN=top).
                    ALIGN=middle aligns the baseline of the current line with the
                    middle of the image.
                    ALIGN=absmiddle aligns the middle of the current line with the
                    middle of the image.
                    ALIGN=baseline aligns the bottom of the image with the baseline
                    of the current line.
                    ALIGN=bottom aligns the bottom of the image with the baseline of
                    the current line.
                    ALIGN=absbottom aligns the bottom of the image with the bottom of
                    the current line.


                    Happy HTML'n!
                    Jody

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                  • Jody
                    Hi Harvey, ... I think you may be looking at it like I use to and it is really confusing trying to make the *image* align like that. It does align the image,
                    Message 9 of 28 , Dec 28, 2000
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                      Hi Harvey,

                      >> <IMG ALIGN=left|right|top|texttop|middle|absmiddle|baseline|bottom|absbottom>

                      >Too bad, center is not one of the parameters,

                      I think you may be looking at it like I use to and it is really
                      confusing trying to make the *image* align like that. It does
                      align the image, *but* in relation to something whether it be
                      text or the line it is on or... see my last post. I think you
                      will understand it more then. If it did have "center" then it
                      would mean maybe align it in the center of the text, huh? What
                      then? Just how would you like it aligned in the center of the
                      text and how much of it? Say, that would be neat to use it for
                      that so that the picture would be in the center with text wrapped
                      all around it, justified and indented on both sides of course and
                      not using <BLOCKQUOTE> mind you. <bg>

                      c ya,
                      Jody

                      The whole world doth err save you
                      and me and even thou doest err some!

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                    • Lotta
                      Hi Jody, ... Hm, if I was American I could always take the 5th...now I have to tell the truth. Truth is I use you a lot when one should be more
                      Message 10 of 28 , Dec 28, 2000
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                        Hi Jody,

                        At 04:04 2000-12-29, you wrote:
                        >Me no think so well or simple as in aligns what, where? <g>

                        Hm, if I was American I could always take the 5th...now I have to tell the
                        truth.<G> Truth is I use 'you' a lot when 'one' should be more appropriate.
                        But one knows that, Jody! And I was referring to exactly what you say, that
                        it's easy to think the attributes align the image absolutely on the page.
                        Same with align in <TABLE> BTW and more easily overlooked.

                        One says bye now,
                        Lotta
                      • Lloyd
                        Hi Jody, A while back, following the instructions I heard here, I loaded WordWeb Pro and made it come up on my help menu. It took over the HTMLib position. How
                        Message 11 of 28 , Dec 29, 2000
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                          Hi Jody,

                          A while back, following the instructions I heard here, I loaded WordWeb Pro
                          and made it come up on my help menu. It took over the HTMLib position. How
                          can I have both on the help menu?

                          > From HTMLib which can be run right from NoteTab's Help menu.
                          >This is version three, but I imagine it is still the same.
                          >
                          ><IMG ALIGN=left|right|top|texttop|middle|absmiddle|baseline|bottom|absbottom>
                          >
                          >Happy HTML'n!
                          >Jody


                          Lloyd

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                        • Toby Scott
                          James, As others have suggested, do you have anything that might be overriding the tag? I know that once I set a style.css file with the
                          Message 12 of 28 , Dec 29, 2000
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                            James,

                            As others have suggested, do you have anything that might be overriding the
                            <P align="center"> tag? I know that once I set a style.css file with the
                            following:

                            p { line-height: 120% ;
                            color : #000000 ;
                            text-align : left }

                            Only problem: I could not overwrite the text-align and center a <P> tag. I
                            am not sure of the priority of conflict handling, but do you have a <td
                            align="left"> or similar that is working on the line? Do you have a .css
                            file with a p setting? Is there something that could possibly be
                            conflicting?

                            Alternatively, are you certain you spelled everything correctly?
                          • Jody
                            Hi Lloyd, Please post to the off-topic list after this if you need more help with it. TIA See my comments following... ... You do it in a similar way, but you
                            Message 13 of 28 , Dec 29, 2000
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                              Hi Lloyd,

                              Please post to the off-topic list after this if you need more
                              help with it. TIA See my comments following...

                              >A while back, following the instructions I heard here, I loaded
                              >WordWeb Pro and made it come up on my help menu. It took over the
                              >HTMLib position. How can I have both on the help menu?

                              You do it in a similar way, but you have to be willing to give a
                              bit and have an imagination. <g> You will need to rename your
                              ReadMe.txt or WhatsNew.txt (I suggest ReadMe.txt since
                              WhatsNew.txt has some good information in it - you might read the
                              ReadMe.txt if you have never done so.) After renaming ReadMe.txt
                              to say ReadMe.old.txt, or ReadMe.bak.txt, etc. rename your
                              WordWeb Pro *shortcut* (not the paths in it) to ReadMe.txt. When
                              you click on ReadMe.txt from the Help file, WordWeb Pro will now
                              open, or at least it does in my head - haha.

                              Install HTMLib if you have IE4 or above installed and follow the
                              directions in NoteTab's Help on how to set it up. See Help |
                              Find | HTMLib. You should have it setup at that time to open both
                              from the Help menu. (If WhatsNew.txt is not important enough for
                              you to have on the Help menu, then you may follow the same
                              procedure for it for just about anything else you want to launch
                              from the Help menu faking NoteTab out. You will just have to
                              memorized what it what.)

                              >> From HTMLib which can be run right from NoteTab's Help menu.


                              Happy HTML'n!
                              Jody

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                            • Greg Chapman
                              Hi Jody, ... Lotta said... ... I m glad I didn t get round to downloading the huge HTMLib if that s the kind of advice it gives. Life s bad enough without
                              Message 14 of 28 , Dec 30, 2000
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                                Hi Jody,

                                > > From HTMLib
                                > ><IMG ALIGN=left|right|top|texttop|middle|absmiddle|baseline|bottom|absbottom>

                                Lotta said...

                                > And the standard ones are:
                                > ALIGN=left|right|top|middle|bottom
                                >
                                > And they don't do exactly what you might think.

                                I'm glad I didn't get round to downloading the huge HTMLib if that's the kind of
                                advice it gives. Life's bad enough without being given non-W3C ideas of what's
                                acceptable.

                                Here's what my favourite guide from http://www.htmlhelp.com says...

                                ============
                                The ALIGN attribute, deprecated in HTML 4.0, specifies the alignment of the
                                image. The values top, middle, and bottom specify the image's position with
                                respect to surrounding content on its left and right.

                                ALIGN=middle aligns the center of the image with the current baseline. To center
                                the image horizontally on the page, place the image in a centered block, e.g.,

                                <H1 ALIGN=center><IMG SRC="logo.gif" ALT="Welcome to XYZ Company"></H1>

                                The other ALIGN values, left and right, specify a floating image; the image is
                                placed at the left or right margin and content flows around it. To place content
                                below the image, use <BR CLEAR=left|right|all> as appropriate.

                                The vertical-align and float properties of Cascading Style Sheets provide more
                                flexible methods of aligning images.
                                ============

                                Hope that helps James too! (Though we'd better not confuse him with stylesheets
                                yet! :-)

                                Greg
                              • Lotta
                                Hello Greg and all, Greg wrote ... Now now boys, don t start fighting Let s try and sort this out. WDG s HTML 4.0 Reference and The HTML Reference Library
                                Message 15 of 28 , Dec 30, 2000
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                                  Hello Greg and all,

                                  Greg wrote
                                  >I'm glad I didn't get round to downloading the huge HTMLib if that's the
                                  >kind of
                                  >advice it gives

                                  Now now boys, don't start fighting <G>

                                  Let's try and sort this out. WDG's HTML 4.0 Reference and The HTML
                                  Reference Library 4.0 by Stephen Le Hunte have somewhat different
                                  purposes. The WDG library is a reference on standard w3c HTML. The work of
                                  Le Hunte is a reference on what "tags" are interpreted by browsers, which
                                  is, as we know, not the same thing.

                                  Stephen Le Hunte:
                                  The HTMLib is the most definitive HTML Reference resource available. Rather
                                  than documenting what could be supported by browsers, the HTMLib documents
                                  what is supported by browsers. Hence, no time is wasted reading
                                  hypothetical definitions of HTML elements and attributes.
                                  http://www.htmlib.com/what.htm

                                  HTML Lib isn't a standard reference and doesn't pretend to be. Sadly enough
                                  it is often looked upon as such in spite of the clear declaration.
                                  Personally I like both even if HTML 4.0 reference is closest to heart, and
                                  find that they complement each other quite well. It isn't big Greg. It's
                                  217 kB installed, smaller than HTML reference in chm format. It requires IE
                                  to be installed and that is of course a big download if you doesn't have it.

                                  The HTML 4.0 reference in chm format is included in the off line version of
                                  the WDG validator, ARV by Liam Quinn. Not free, but free trial. My
                                  favorite. The output is nice, clear and informative and it works very well
                                  with NTB. With Wordwrap off, the line numbers correspond and you can run
                                  them side by side. Unfortunately ARV also requires IE and HTML help to be
                                  installed. BTW if somebody else uses it and also hate the useless editor
                                  window that was added in the latest version, I know how to get rid off it
                                  and gladly share.
                                  http://arealvalidator.com/

                                  Bottom line: one can never get to many references

                                  Peace on earth,
                                  Lotta
                                • Jody
                                  Hi Greg, Well, I did not tell him to use or :) See below... ... I am really trying to conform, but I DON T LIKE IT, therefore, here comes me
                                  Message 16 of 28 , Dec 30, 2000
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                                    Hi Greg,

                                    Well, I did not tell him to use <BLOCKQUOTE> or <B> :) See below...

                                    >><IMG ALIGN=left|right|top|texttop|middle|absmiddle|baseline|bottom|absbottom>

                                    >I'm glad I didn't get round to downloading the huge HTMLib if
                                    >that's the kind of advice it gives.

                                    >Here's what my favourite guide from http://www.htmlhelp.com says...
                                    >
                                    >============
                                    >The ALIGN attribute, deprecated in HTML 4.0,

                                    I am really trying to conform, but I DON'T LIKE IT, therefore,
                                    here comes me blowing off more steam in my personal fight with
                                    myself, so no need to read it. ;)

                                    <Jody on an outrage again just when you thought it was over <g>>
                                    Gee, had I known all the downloads started with Florida USA, I'd
                                    have it already and think I have above three versions from the
                                    last time this came up. <g> They really should have called me
                                    for consultation before doing such silly things as depreciating
                                    <b>, <i>, <font>, etc. They "cause" a whole world to conform
                                    with out those and yet they make the most sense. Yes, they do
                                    cause us to conform if we want pages to display in say Opera.
                                    Blind user/reader machines should conform to them, not the other
                                    way around. And, please, do not tell me the word font, italic,
                                    bold, etc. do not make any sense and should be avoided, etc.</g>

                                    I do not know if this is correct, but you get my point about it:

                                    <style sheet>
                                    EM
                                    font:italic
                                    </style sheet>

                                    You say it is to have a standard and for smaller scrunched text
                                    for small super "mickey mouse" wrist watches that are web enabled
                                    for the future that one could not see the screen anyway without a
                                    magnify glass. Which is more scrunched: <em> or <i>? Which
                                    makes more sense to the average Joe when first seeing HTML? My
                                    guess would be <i> because one normally does not get a computer
                                    for the first time, turn in on, open NoteTab, and start building
                                    web pages. I think they would see "I" on a ToolBar long before
                                    then.

                                    BTW, where might one find this installed after right click on the
                                    inf and choosing Install - it's html 4.0 in HTML format:

                                    \Help\HTML\40Ref in HTML\file_id.diz
                                    \Help\HTML\40Ref in HTML\html40.INF
                                    \Help\HTML\40Ref in HTML\HTMLbook_std.ICO
                                    \Help\HTML\40Ref in HTML\HTMLbook_True_color.ICO

                                    I'd like to convert it to NoteTab's Outline possibly.

                                    OK, now I finally see the only one true valid argument is to have
                                    a standard. OK, I can live with that one statement. But what I
                                    have a hard time with is when people, not you Greg, try to make
                                    up flimsy excesses to validate why depreciating something has a
                                    good reason behind it. If I see a real valid reason, I do not
                                    have a problem with that: set a standard, period. I can somewhat
                                    understand the argument (which really was never said to the best
                                    of my knowledge, perhaps because it is obvious once one thinks
                                    about it) is because of the use of italic in style sheets <i>
                                    becomes redundant therefore bloating browsers. However, there is
                                    just not that much code depreciated that I think would make that
                                    much difference and when weighing the difference between <em> via
                                    CSS and <i> there would not be much at all, and perhaps <i> would
                                    win out both in browser code and HTML code weight-wise.

                                    Methinks, set a standard, was said over and over and over again,
                                    but I could not see it in the midst of all the other stuff.
                                    Hopefully, Jody said his was rage and is at peace with himself
                                    now about it. :-)

                                    Happy HTML'n!
                                    Jody

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                                  • toushoes
                                    Lotta, Would you share your method for getting rid of the edit window in ARV? Tks.. @ ]]) Wendy @ ]]) aka: Toushoes
                                    Message 17 of 28 , Dec 31, 2000
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                                      Lotta, Would you "share" your method for getting rid of the edit
                                      window in ARV? Tks..

                                      @ ]]) Wendy
                                      @ ]]) aka: Toushoes


                                      On Sat, 30 Dec 2000 16:21:52 +0100, you wrote:

                                      >The HTML 4.0 reference in chm format is included in the off line version of
                                      >the WDG validator, ARV by Liam Quinn. Not free, but free trial. My
                                      >favorite. The output is nice, clear and informative and it works very well
                                      >with NTB. With Wordwrap off, the line numbers correspond and you can run
                                      >them side by side. Unfortunately ARV also requires IE and HTML help to be
                                      >installed. BTW if somebody else uses it and also hate the useless editor
                                      >window that was added in the latest version, I know how to get rid off it
                                      >and gladly share.
                                      >http://arealvalidator.com/
                                      >
                                      >Bottom line: one can never get to many references
                                      >
                                      >Peace on earth,
                                      >Lotta
                                    • Lotta
                                      Hi Wendy, ... Yeppers. I ll send it to you privately since I guess it s of limited interest. Stupid window will soon be gone Lotta
                                      Message 18 of 28 , Jan 1, 2001
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                                        Hi Wendy,

                                        >Would you "share" your method for getting rid of the edit
                                        >window in ARV?

                                        Yeppers. I'll send it to you privately since I guess it's of limited
                                        interest. Stupid window will soon be gone<G>

                                        Lotta
                                      • Greg Chapman
                                        Hi Lotta, ... Indeed! ... Yeah! I read that page and all was fine up to that point. ... Then I moved onto the http://www.htmlib.com/where.htm page where it
                                        Message 19 of 28 , Jan 3, 2001
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                                          Hi Lotta,

                                          > The WDG library is a reference on standard w3c HTML. The work of
                                          > Le Hunte is a reference on what "tags" are interpreted by browsers, which
                                          > is, as we know, not the same thing.

                                          Indeed!

                                          > http://www.htmlib.com/what.htm

                                          Yeah! I read that page and all was fine up to that point.

                                          > Personally I like both even if HTML 4.0 reference is closest to heart, and
                                          > find that they complement each other quite well. It isn't big Greg. It's
                                          > 217 kB installed,

                                          Then I moved onto the http://www.htmlib.com/where.htm page where it told me I'd
                                          need:

                                          "The file you eventually download should be called hlbsetup.exe and be 3,062,797
                                          bytes."

                                          (I run Win98SE so I didn't appear to need any updating of my system files to run
                                          HTMLib)

                                          What you say (217 kB installed) and the page says don't necessarily conflict, of
                                          course, if there's a way of getting an 217kB installation without the
                                          time/hassle/expense of downloading 3,062,797 bytes, let me know!

                                          > The HTML 4.0 reference in chm format is included in the off line version of
                                          > the WDG validator, ARV by Liam Quinn. Not free, but free trial. My
                                          > favorite.

                                          He's the author of the reference I like. The same thing in WinHELP appears to
                                          be available completely free from http://www.htmlhelp.com/distribution/ 222k.
                                          (As mentioned before I happen to use the (zipped) HTML version 221kB.)

                                          > Bottom line: one can never get to many references

                                          I'll go along with that!

                                          Greg
                                        • Greg Chapman
                                          Hi Jody, ... I bet you feel better for that! :-) Greg
                                          Message 20 of 28 , Jan 3, 2001
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                                            Hi Jody,

                                            > <Jody on an outrage again just when you thought it was over <g>>

                                            I bet you feel better for that! :-)

                                            Greg
                                          • Lotta
                                            Hello Greg! ... LOL. I didn t see that! I must have looked at the more reasonable size of the update. But it s true the installed program is 217kB. The only
                                            Message 21 of 28 , Jan 3, 2001
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                                              Hello Greg!

                                              >"The file you eventually download should be called hlbsetup.exe and be
                                              >3,062,797
                                              >bytes."

                                              >What you say (217 kB installed) and the page says don't necessarily
                                              >conflict, of
                                              >course, if there's a way of getting an 217kB installation without the
                                              >time/hassle/expense of downloading 3,062,797 bytes, let me know!

                                              LOL. I didn't see that! I must have looked at the more reasonable size of
                                              the update. But it's true the installed program is 217kB. The only thing
                                              wrong with it is that it's slow. Maybe because my copy is lacking some
                                              2500kb? :-D

                                              I don't know if it dumps something in Windows or something. But why should
                                              it? Maybe it's just a monster installation file. I lied to you on one point
                                              though. The installed file is an .exe not a .chm. Peculiar, I think Quinn
                                              talks about html help format, doesn't he?

                                              >>The HTML 4.0 reference in chm format is included in the off line version of
                                              >>the WDG validator, ARV by Liam Quinn. Not free, but free trial. My favorite.

                                              >He's the author of the reference I like. The same thing in WinHELP appears to
                                              >be available completely free from http://www.htmlhelp.com/distribution/ 222k.

                                              Oh yes, exactly the same contents. But I find that the .chm format is
                                              easier to use. If you want to try if the program runs without
                                              installation, just holler and I'll send you the .exe and the accompanying .dll.

                                              Bye,
                                              Lotta




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                                            • Lotta
                                              Greg, ... I was referring to HTMLib. It got a little mixed up. /L.
                                              Message 22 of 28 , Jan 3, 2001
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                                                Greg,

                                                >If you want to try if the program runs without
                                                >installation, just holler and I'll send you the .exe and the accompanying
                                                >.dll.

                                                I was referring to HTMLib. It got a little mixed up.

                                                /L.
                                              • Jody
                                                Hi Lotta and Greg, Perhaps you all can send the references you use with links and say a short paragraph about it. I will then compile them and make a post
                                                Message 23 of 28 , Jan 3, 2001
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                                                  Hi Lotta and Greg,

                                                  Perhaps you all can send the references you use with links and
                                                  say a short paragraph about it. I will then compile them and
                                                  make a post with them all together. We can then just refer
                                                  somebody to the eGroups post and/or I will put it at my site in
                                                  HTML and have Eric link to it. I'm sure I have all the ones you
                                                  posted, but...

                                                  >LOL. I didn't see that! I must have looked at the more reasonable
                                                  >size of the update. But it's true the installed program is 217kB.
                                                  >The only thing wrong with it is that it's slow. Maybe because my
                                                  >copy is lacking some 2500kb? :-D

                                                  For an older reference that is much faster not lacking much from
                                                  version 4 of HTMLib and to me easier to navigate - I like the
                                                  format better myself then try:

                                                  Version 3
                                                  http://www.hooked.net/~tails/htmlib/

                                                  There is a link to BK Color Coder on my NoteTab Enhancement page
                                                  which you can try out to replace the one that comes with HTMLib
                                                  or MS for it. You can load a Netscape safe color palette in if
                                                  you want and it also has a one of those color droppers to pick up
                                                  a color off your screen somewhere (with viewer for color mouse it
                                                  over). It has been so long since I looked the stuff I forgot,
                                                  but details are at:

                                                  http://www.notetab.net/html/addons.htm

                                                  Just checked version 3 for you:

                                                  Option 1
                                                  http://www.igateway.net/tucows/files/htmlib9530.zip
                                                  Full Package - Everything + All Required VB Files.
                                                  2,777,239 Bytes

                                                  Option 2
                                                  http://www.wenet.net/~tails/htmlib/htmlib9530lite.zip
                                                  Lite Package - Everything Without the Required VB Files.
                                                  469,954 Bytes

                                                  Option 3
                                                  http://www.igateway.net/tucows/files/htmlib30.zip
                                                  Windows 3.x package.
                                                  364.738 Bytes

                                                  !! Note: !! - If you already have Visual Basic 4.x installed, you
                                                  may want to download only the Light package (Option 2). If you do
                                                  not have Visual Basic 4.x installed, you should choose the full
                                                  package (Option 1). Finally, if you are running Windows 3.x,
                                                  download Option 3.

                                                  I do not think you need IE installed for version 3 to work. It
                                                  does not use the .chm format like version 4.

                                                  >> He's the author of the reference I like. The same thing in
                                                  >> WinHELP appears to be available completely free from
                                                  >> http://www.htmlhelp.com/distribution/ 222k.

                                                  >Oh yes, exactly the same contents. But I find that the .chm
                                                  >format is easier to use. If you want to try if the program runs
                                                  >without installation, just holler and I'll send you the .exe and
                                                  >the accompanying .dll.

                                                  Has he ever released that version without the program or whatever
                                                  it is you have? OH, maybe that is what you are saying - yes, add
                                                  me to your list. :)

                                                  Happy HTML'n!
                                                  Jody

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                                                • Greg Chapman
                                                  Hi Lotta, ... Now I am confused. I thought that s what we were talking about all along. Greg
                                                  Message 24 of 28 , Jan 5, 2001
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                                                    Hi Lotta,

                                                    > >If you want to try if the program runs without
                                                    > >installation, just holler and I'll send you the .exe and the accompanying
                                                    > >.dll.
                                                    >
                                                    > I was referring to HTMLib. It got a little mixed up.

                                                    Now I am confused. I thought that's what we were talking about all along.

                                                    Greg
                                                  • Greg Chapman
                                                    Hi Jody, ... At http://www.htmlhelp.com/distribution/ you ll find a set of download links for the Web Design Group s HTML3.2, HTML4.0 and CSS1 guides (typical
                                                    Message 25 of 28 , Jan 5, 2001
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                                                      Hi Jody,

                                                      > Perhaps you all can send the references you use with links and
                                                      > say a short paragraph about it. I will then compile them and
                                                      > make a post with them all together.

                                                      At http://www.htmlhelp.com/distribution/ you'll find a set of download links for
                                                      the Web Design Group's HTML3.2, HTML4.0 and CSS1 guides (typical file size
                                                      250kB) which I have found very readable and easy to use.

                                                      These are available for a variety of platforms and in a number of formats and
                                                      there are several mirrors in the US and Europe for most of these. (The formats
                                                      include: Windows 95/98/NT4 Help, Zipped HTML and Windows 3.x Help depending on
                                                      the document. For those using other platforms OS/2 INF, Tar'd, gzip'd HTML,
                                                      Macintosh DOCMaker, PDF, AppleWorks macros for Apple II and Stuffed HTML are
                                                      also available for certain documents.)

                                                      The guides provide indexes by alphabet and function to all relevant HTML and CSS
                                                      tags/selectors and provide, not only correct syntax, but also guidance on their
                                                      use, particularly pointing out alternatives to the deprecated features of
                                                      HTML4.0.

                                                      The only possible disadvantages of these guides is that they appear no longer to
                                                      be being developed, the last update to the site being dated 1999 and they
                                                      approach the whole issue of writing HTML/Stylesheets from the perspectives of
                                                      the W3C standards rather than current browsers.

                                                      On the subject of browser implementations I found these URLs helpful:

                                                      Frame Quirks on Navigator (12/6/99)
                                                      http://www.builder.com/Authoring/Tagmania/120699/index.html
                                                      which explains the appalling mess you get into if you rely on pixel defined
                                                      frame sizes. (There are a number of other links from here which look as if they
                                                      are worth investigation!)

                                                      STYLE SHEETS KNOWN ISSUES
                                                      http://developer.netscape.com/support/bugs/known/css.html
                                                      Netscape's own admission on what is wrong with their browser.

                                                      Chart of CSS1 implementation problems in Browsers
                                                      http://webreview.com/guides/style/notes.html

                                                      Greg
                                                    • Jody
                                                      Hi Greg, ... Thanks guy, I ll file it in my ntb-HTML mailbox and see if we get some more takers. :) I did finally get the html version of the 4.0. :) Happy
                                                      Message 26 of 28 , Jan 5, 2001
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                                                        Hi Greg,

                                                        >> Perhaps you all can send the references you use with links and
                                                        >> say a short paragraph about it. I will then compile them and
                                                        >> make a post with them all together.
                                                        >
                                                        >At http://www.htmlhelp.com/distribution/ you'll find

                                                        Thanks guy, I'll file it in my ntb-HTML mailbox and see if we get
                                                        some more takers. :) I did finally get the html version of the 4.0. :)


                                                        Happy HTML'n!
                                                        Jody

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                                                      • Greg Chapman
                                                        Hi Lotta, ... I forgot to say Yes, please to that, but aren t I picking up that it needs the VBasic runtime (which I don t have installed) to work and isn t
                                                        Message 27 of 28 , Jan 5, 2001
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                                                          Hi Lotta,

                                                          > If you want to try if the program runs without
                                                          > installation, just holler and I'll send you the .exe and the
                                                          > accompanying .dll.

                                                          I forgot to say "Yes, please" to that, but aren't I picking up that it needs the
                                                          VBasic runtime (which I don't have installed) to work and isn't that what makes
                                                          up the additional megabytes? If so I won't bother.

                                                          Greg
                                                        • Grant
                                                          Here s a clip you might be interested in. Usingfull for checking for wellformedness in xml, You can parse xhtml and as xml if wellformed, so handy for xhtml
                                                          Message 28 of 28 , Jan 5, 2001
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                                                            Here's a clip you might be interested in.
                                                            Usingfull for checking for wellformedness in xml,
                                                            You can parse xhtml and as xml if wellformed, so handy for xhtml docs also.
                                                            Basically if the doc is parsed without errors it can be parsed as xml.
                                                            The errors generate the reason for the parse failure, line number, text etc
                                                            which is usefull for debugging(um I don't think you 'debug' xml), then takes
                                                            you directly to the text in question in the doc.
                                                            I tried it with a few typo's like <el attrib=" >(missed comma) and seemed to
                                                            do a better job than 'tidy' in finding this error plus it takes you directly
                                                            to the parse error in the doc . If you find it usefull place it on your
                                                            clipbar.


                                                            h=xhtmlLoader
                                                            ^!Set %file%="^$GetScriptPath$xhtmlLoader.js"
                                                            ^!Set %arg%="^$GetDocName$"
                                                            ^!TextToFile "^%file%" ^$GetClipText(xhtmlDOM)$
                                                            ;get rid of logo
                                                            ^!Set %hostOptions%=^$StrFill(/;2)$nologo
                                                            ;escape file
                                                            ^!set %arg%=^$StrReplace(\;\\;^%arg%;True;False)$
                                                            ^!setArray %CscriptOut%=^$GetOutput(Cscript "^%file%" "^%hostOptions%"
                                                            "^%arg%")$
                                                            ^!IFTrue ^$IsEmpty("^%CscriptOut%")$ ^!info "Parsed as wellformed xml"
                                                            ^!IFTrue ^$IsEmpty("^%CscriptOut%")$ Exit
                                                            ^!set %msg%=^%NL%
                                                            ^!set %msg%=^%msg%^%CscriptOut1%
                                                            ^!set %msg%=^%msg%^%NL%
                                                            ^!set %msg%=^%msg%Parse error
                                                            ^!set %msg%=^%msg%^%CscriptOut2%
                                                            ^!set %msg%=^%msg%^%NL%
                                                            ^!set %msg%=^%msg%occurred on line
                                                            ^!set %msg%=^%msg%^%TAB%
                                                            ^!set %msg%=^%msg%^%CscriptOut3%
                                                            ^!set %msg%=^%msg%^%NL%
                                                            ^!set %msg%=^%msg%character position within the line
                                                            ^!set %msg%=^%msg%^%TAB%
                                                            ^!set %msg%=^%msg%^%CscriptOut4%
                                                            ^!set %msg%=^%msg%^%NL%^%NL%
                                                            ^!set %msg%=^%msg%Text of the line containing the error
                                                            ^!set %msg%=^%msg%^%NL%
                                                            ^!set %msg%=^%msg%^%CscriptOut5%
                                                            ^!set %msg%=^%msg%^%NL%^%NL%^%NL%
                                                            ^!set %msg%=^%msg%REASON FOR THE ERROR
                                                            ^!set %msg%=^%msg%^%NL%^%NL%
                                                            ^!set %msg%=^%msg%^%CscriptOut6%
                                                            ^!set %msg%=^%msg%^%NL%^%NL%^%NL%
                                                            ^!info ^%msg%
                                                            ^!Find "^%CscriptOut5" CIWS


                                                            H=_xhtmlDOM
                                                            //load xml
                                                            var doc = new ActiveXObject("microsoft.xmldom");
                                                            doc.validateOnParse = false;
                                                            var ok = true
                                                            doc.onreadystatechange = CheckState;
                                                            doc.resolveExternals = false;
                                                            //filename passed as argument to wsh
                                                            doc.load(WScript.Arguments.Item(0));
                                                            if (ok)
                                                            {
                                                            //do something with dom.
                                                            //var root = doc.documentElement
                                                            //WScript.Echo(root.nodeName);
                                                            //doc.save(WScript.Arguments.Item(0));
                                                            }
                                                            doc = null

                                                            function CheckState()
                                                            {
                                                            var state = doc.readyState;
                                                            if (state == 4)
                                                            {
                                                            var err = doc.parseError;
                                                            if (err.errorCode != 0)
                                                            {
                                                            var msg = ''
                                                            msg += err.url + ';'
                                                            msg += err.errorCode + ';'
                                                            msg += err.line + ';'
                                                            msg += err.linepos + ';'
                                                            msg += err.srcText + ';'
                                                            msg += err.reason
                                                            WScript.Echo(msg)
                                                            return ok = false
                                                            }
                                                            }
                                                            }
                                                            //end of script
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