6291Re: [NH] Frames
- Jan 19, 2008Hi
just went to this site it is fine
http://www.rainbowends.org/cadre.htm two frames just the way it should be??
THANKYOU DAVE M
----- Original Message -----
From: "bensbach" <ericbj-mmvii@...>
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:52 AM
Subject: [NH] Frames
> Some days ago I did a little re-vamping and put some
> additional documents on my website, on a server in the
> UK. The changes cannot be seen here in Thailand. Going
> on past experience it will take about a week for the
> changes to become visible. Have been told that websites
> are cached on servers around the world and these are only
> "refreshed" every so often. (?) Anyway, I cannot yet see
> what bugs the site may have, or even if it is there at
> Frustrating !
> The site, www.rainbow ends.org uses two vertical frames:
> a narrow left-hand one to list content and to the right
> of that the document being viewed.
> I gather that frames are rather disparaged these days,
> but the alternative until something better is widely
> adopted would seem to be tables.
> The problem with tables is:
> 1) I do not have time to go manually updating large
> numbers of files every time the Contents changes
> (optimistically, I hope to do this more often in future,
> the site having been almost unchanged in seven years)
> 2) I do not have any programming skills to automate the
> 3) The content of a table is fixed, while the content of
> a frame can be changed with a mouse click
> At the foot of each document there is a link which now
> goes to a Categories Page which links to several Contents
> Pages. Each of the latter lists files that can be clicked
> on and brought up in the Main Frame.
> Previously there was just a single Contents Page, listing
> all documents (i.e. no Categories). But this made for a
> long and rather indigestible list of documents, which
> would have become longer still with additions.
> In the good old days, a person clicking on "Contents" at
> the bottom of a page would see all the documents
> available. If they came through the Front Page of the
> site, they would see this in the Main Frame, and if they
> came though a search-engine they would see it without any
> frames. Doubtless there was a better way of doing this,
> but at least there were no frames-within-frames.
> Now however, using modern browsers -- IE7 and Opera (not
> having tried with the others) -- this no longer works
> properly if one is not viewing the files from within
> frames. Maybe TARGET="xxx" confuses the browser when
> there is no TARGET="xxx".
> What happens is that the linked file is opened, but the
> focus remains on the existing file.
> With Opera, a new tab appears, but most people would not
> realise this and so would not click on it.
> With IE7, a new window opens, but this is often hidden
> behind the existing window.
> One answer might be to take people to the Frameset page.
> But is there is some way of preventing those already
> viewing within frames from picking up another set of
> frames ?
> Would this make the site less accessible to the search-
> engines ?
> Despite the frames, which it has always had, five years
> ago 65% of hits were via the search-engines -- although
> it had never been promoted to them.
> Now however, perhaps as result of the site's content
> remaining unchanged for so long, not only has the number
> of visitors fallen off considerably, but the proportion
> coming through the search engines has fallen to 35% of
> the total.
> Your advice and comments would be much appreciated.
> Eric Johnston
> p.s. Of the search criteria, the one that has brought by
> far the most visitors to my site is the word "torture".
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