- Jan 18, 2008Some days ago I did a little re-vamping and put some
additional documents on my website, on a server in the
UK. The changes cannot be seen here in Thailand. Going
on past experience it will take about a week for the
changes to become visible. Have been told that websites
are cached on servers around the world and these are only
"refreshed" every so often. (?) Anyway, I cannot yet see
what bugs the site may have, or even if it is there at
The site, www.rainbow ends.org uses two vertical frames:
a narrow left-hand one to list content and to the right
of that the document being viewed.
I gather that frames are rather disparaged these days,
but the alternative until something better is widely
adopted would seem to be tables.
The problem with tables is:
1) I do not have time to go manually updating large
numbers of files every time the Contents changes
(optimistically, I hope to do this more often in future,
the site having been almost unchanged in seven years)
2) I do not have any programming skills to automate the
3) The content of a table is fixed, while the content of
a frame can be changed with a mouse click
At the foot of each document there is a link which now
goes to a Categories Page which links to several Contents
Pages. Each of the latter lists files that can be clicked
on and brought up in the Main Frame.
Previously there was just a single Contents Page, listing
all documents (i.e. no Categories). But this made for a
long and rather indigestible list of documents, which
would have become longer still with additions.
In the good old days, a person clicking on "Contents" at
the bottom of a page would see all the documents
available. If they came through the Front Page of the
site, they would see this in the Main Frame, and if they
came though a search-engine they would see it without any
frames. Doubtless there was a better way of doing this,
but at least there were no frames-within-frames.
Now however, using modern browsers -- IE7 and Opera (not
having tried with the others) -- this no longer works
properly if one is not viewing the files from within
frames. Maybe TARGET="xxx" confuses the browser when
there is no TARGET="xxx".
What happens is that the linked file is opened, but the
focus remains on the existing file.
With Opera, a new tab appears, but most people would not
realise this and so would not click on it.
With IE7, a new window opens, but this is often hidden
behind the existing window.
One answer might be to take people to the Frameset page.
But is there is some way of preventing those already
viewing within frames from picking up another set of
Would this make the site less accessible to the search-
Despite the frames, which it has always had, five years
ago 65% of hits were via the search-engines -- although
it had never been promoted to them.
Now however, perhaps as result of the site's content
remaining unchanged for so long, not only has the number
of visitors fallen off considerably, but the proportion
coming through the search engines has fallen to 35% of
Your advice and comments would be much appreciated.
p.s. Of the search criteria, the one that has brought by
far the most visitors to my site is the word "torture".
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