[Clip] Re: Two Views of the Same File
- Far from trying to impress, I hope to spare new users a few real
headaches. IMO Keyboard commands should be avoided wherever
possible. They are subject to misfiring on different machines due to
timing differences. I would also point out to new users that copying
the content of an entire file to the clipboard is unnecessary and
could have deleterious effects, especially when applied to large
files. At the very least, the clipboard should be cleared after such
At 06:31 PM 10/9/02 +0000, you wrote:
>Far from trying to impress, I hope to spare new users a few realI commend you for your efforts.
>IMO Keyboard commands should be avoided whereverYou certainly have the right to your opinion.
Obviously not everyone agrees with all of them. :-)
>They are subject to misfiring on different machines due toAll machines have their own unique timing problems and they affect far more
than just keyboard commands.
It is just something that has to be dealt with when it is a problem
regardless of the command involved.
> I would also point out to new users that copyingThe Clipboard is just a temporary file itself, as long as you have adequate
>the content of an entire file to the clipboard is unnecessary and
>could have deleterious effects, especially when applied to large
disk space it isn't a problem if you can afford the time it takes to create
the file. Most systems today have the capability to handle it in a timely
fashion and most users are not editing extremely large text files.
As you have suggested there is more than one way to do things and each
person develops their own preferences and concerns based on their specific
In my 35 years of teaching students about Computers and Programming, I have
found that a strong foundation in the basics is the best tool they can have
for understanding and using the more complex commands and developing their
own programming style and techniques.
> At the very least, the clipboard should be cleared after suchSince I wrote this Clip to be able to copy and paste from the top of the
file to the bottom of the same file, the clipboard is cleared per se with
the first copy-paste I do.
If you don't like this Clip or it won't do what you need, you are free to
either not use it or to modify it to suit your own preferences and needs.
I like it and it works just fine for me and what I use it for, just the way
- Hi Sheri,
>If you wanted, you could update it to use a few of the newer ClipMy biggest problem occurs when using the keyboard shortcuts with the
>commands. Substituting the following between your two Save commands
>avoids the Keyboard commands and doesn't disturb the clipboard.
Keyboard commands instead of the Menu options, or just using some of the
keyboard shortcuts assigned in the program. When I use shift+ctrl+P to turn
on/off the pasteboard feature PaintShop Pro opens. Shift+ctrl+Q (Unquote
Text) opens up QuickVerse :-). Oh well. For me the keyboard's quicker than
I do enjoy seeing how Clips can be accomplished in different ways :-).
keyboard advocate <G>
- Hi Julie,
--- In ntb-clips@y..., Julie <jlg61@m...> wrote:
> My biggest problem occurs when using the keyboard shortcuts
> with the Keyboard commands instead of the Menu options, or
> just using some of the keyboard shortcuts assigned in the
> program. When I use shift+ctrl+P to turn on/off the
> pasteboard feature PaintShop Pro opens. Shift+ctrl+Q
> (Unquote Text) opens up QuickVerse :-). Oh well. For me the
> keyboard's quicker than the mouse!
LOL! Are you listening Jim? Not only are Keyboard commands prone to
timing issues, but also to user customization issues. How well are
clips dependent on set keystrokes to a Menu command going to work if
the user has reassigned that key to a different command via
Shortcuts.dat or Windows shortcuts? This may not matter for your own
private clips, but its a big compatibility issue for shared clips.
> I do enjoy seeing how Clips can be accomplished in different
> ways :-).
Thanks Julie <g>
- --- In ntb-clips@y..., Jim Hall <jehall@j...> wrote:
> Since I wrote this Clip to be able to copy and paste from???
> the top of the file to the bottom of the same file, the
> clipboard is cleared per se with the first copy-paste I do.
Text on the Windows clipboard resides in memory, separate from your
pasted file buffer. It can be pasted again and again until it is
cleared. It stays on the clipboard even after Notetab is closed
unless you arbitrarily use it for copying some other text there. And
if a large amount of text is on it, it weighs on performance when if
virtual memory consequently comes into play.
I'm an absolute newbie at using Note Tab (although an old hand at using
computers), and I'm having a little trouble getting started. I have Note
Tab Pro, and all the talk about clips and so on assume that I know how to
write a clip, where to put it and even how to activate it.
Is there a programming manual or something similar available that will take
somebody such as myself from zero to 100 kmh in 5 seconds? I'm sure that
once I'm brought up to speed, so to speak, I'll be able to understand what
everybody is talking about.
How on earth does one get started?
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- Hi Basil,
You will want to read through the Clip Basics topic in Notetab Main
help file as well as all the topics in the separate Clipcode help
file (see Help|Help on Clip Programming). I would also advise
activating the Clip Assistant in the Quick List (toggle on
Tools|Quick List, then select Clip Assistant under Tools|Quick List
Properties). This allows you to create clips without knowing the
syntax by heart.
For answers to your most basic orientation questions, I would suggest
you download Jim Hall's Basic Clip Basics (despite my recent
disagreements with Jim Hall, I think that's a nice graphical
introduction to navigating Clips).
Jody Adair's Clip Class is a great tutorial, but I believe it needs
to be updated to include the latest commands and functions. In
particular, you should be aware that ^!Menu commands now give direct
access to some Notetab features which were previously accessible only
with ^!Keyboard commands.
- Hi Sheri and Jim,
In a rush... ^!SetClipboard ^%Empty% should do it. (Or,
Also, in short, I think both of you have valid issues overall,
especially when Jim mentioned a solid foundation. I've only
taught for maybe 5 years in various environments, but do know for
sure that the foundation must be built and solid to get a good
understand of the rest.
Most people that start my ClipClass bail out around lessons 4-5,
because from there they can figure out the rest by simply reading
Help on Clip programming as needed and going through the index of
commands and functions.
I also agree with the use of the ^!Keyboard command Sheri, but
yet there are times when it is definitely needed as you know
already. Like Jim said though, that is not the only issue with
timing. The use of ^!FocusApp, ^$GetAppTitle$ ^$SrtCopy(...)$,
and more of the related commands/functions definitely have timing
issues as you know, but you will also find that that it is a must
to use ^!Keyboard and find at times it will interfere with other
So much for a short in a rush post... got lots of mail to answer.
See ya later... ;)
>--- In ntb-clips@y..., Jim Hall <jehall@j...> wrote:Happy Clip'n!
>> Since I wrote this Clip to be able to copy and paste from
>> the top of the file to the bottom of the same file, the
>> clipboard is cleared per se with the first copy-paste I do.
>Text on the Windows clipboard resides in memory, separate from your
>pasted file buffer. It can be pasted again and again until it is
>cleared. It stays on the clipboard even after Notetab is closed
>unless you arbitrarily use it for copying some other text there. And
>if a large amount of text is on it, it weighs on performance when if
>virtual memory consequently comes into play.
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