Hi Art.

Uh, wow. Just... wow. I wish I had time to look through your post in detail to see if it covers what I just logged on to post. But I don't so, again, sorry if I repeat.

I did notice something that seems to me to be incorrect but I did not have time to see if it was a one time thing or was repeated.

In your first table, you have

**NOT A AND B <==> (MIN (A, B) + 1) MOD 2 1 - MIN (A,B) and****NOT A OR B <==> (MAX (A, B) + 1) MOD 2 1 - MAX (A,B)****Order of operations are NOT then AND then OR****http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_connective#Order_of_precedence**so NOT A AND B is really (NOT A) AND B but your third column interprets it as NOT (A AND B).Anyway, what I was going to say to Flo is this...I think I now see what you are really asking and I think not quite understanding. You want to find out how to do this Wayne's way and I'm saying this is a big mistake except for the simplest of cases. The second thing I'm not sure you see is that the way I'm showing is equivalent and simpler for complicated cases - easier to read, write and understand. The third point is that it seems like you are looking for a step by step method of converting logic into code. I say every case is different and sometimes Wayne's way is fine, sometimes my way is better and sometimes a combination of both is the best way. The key is to learn how to convert logical statements into the easiest form to work with and do away with MAX and MIN when possible. In other words, use my way. :) Example. A OR NOT(C AND D) is the same as A OR NOT C OR NOT D.Here are real clips to show your simple case of A NOT B which I am interpreting as A AND NOT B which is really A AND (NOT B). In this one, Wayne's way is fine since it is simple enough.The second clip is for A NOT (B OR C) which I'm reading as A AND NOT (B OR C). It took me a few tries to get the parens matched up with the MINs and MAXs for even this simple case. Add a few conditions or more variables and it's a mess.Note my use of an actual test for If A=1 AND B=1 AND C=1 AND D=1 AND E=1 in both clips. I also designed the clips for up to 5 vars so the output has extra lines for simpler cases. Just ignore them.I think you will see the results are the same and why I like my way better.You can modify these clips to test your own stuff. I'd be happy to try to help if you want to see the way I would code a specific case. Every test is different and people see things in different ways. Obviously, if it's code that only you see and you see it one way better than another and it works... no problem.Joy^!InsertText Testing A AND NOT B^%NL%^%NL%^!Set %A%=0;%B%=0;%C%=0;%D%=0;%E%=0^!Set %Meth1%="Calc(MIN(A;(1 - B)))"^!Set %Meth2%="Calc(A * (1 - B))";^!Set %Meth3%="Calc(A * (1 - B) * (1 - C))"^!InsertText Method 1 is ^%Meth1%^%NL%Method 2 is ^%Meth2%^%NL%Method 3 is ^%Meth3%^%NL%^%NL%:AGAIN^!Set %M1%=^$Calc(MIN(^%A%;(1 - ^%B%)))$^!Set %M2%=^$Calc(^%A% * (1 - ^%B%))$;^!Set %M3%=^$Calc()$^!InsertText A B C D E = ^%A% ^%B% ^%C% ^%D% ^%E% Method1,2,3 gives ^%M1% ^%M2% ^%M3%^%NL%; Note the test of If A=1 AND B=1 AND C=1 AND D=1 AND E=1^!IfTrue ^$Calc(^%A%*^%B%*^%C%*^%D%*^%E%)$ ^!Goto DONE^!Inc %A%^!If ^%A%=1 AGAIN^!Set %A%=0^!Inc %B%^!If ^%B%=1 AGAIN^!Set %B%=0^!Inc %C%^!If ^%C%=1 AGAIN^!Set %C%=0^!Inc %D%^!If ^%D%=1 AGAIN^!Set %D%=0^!Inc %E%^!If ^%E%=1 AGAIN:DONE^!Jump TEXT_START^!ClearVariable %A%^!ClearVariable %B%^!ClearVariable %C%^!ClearVariable %D%^!ClearVariable %E%^!ClearVariable %M1%^!ClearVariable %M2%^!ClearVariable %M3%^!ClearVariable %METH1%^!ClearVariable %METH2%^!ClearVariable %METH3%<--->Testing A AND NOT BMethod 1 is Calc(MIN(A;(1 - B)))Method 2 is Calc(A * (1 - B))Method 3 isA B C D E = 0 0 0 0 0 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0A B C D E = 1 0 0 0 0 Method1,2,3 gives 1 1A B C D E = 0 1 0 0 0 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0A B C D E = 1 1 0 0 0 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0A B C D E = 0 0 1 0 0 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0A B C D E = 1 0 1 0 0 Method1,2,3 gives 1 1A B C D E = 0 1 1 0 0 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0A B C D E = 1 1 1 0 0 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0A B C D E = 0 0 0 1 0 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0A B C D E = 1 0 0 1 0 Method1,2,3 gives 1 1A B C D E = 0 1 0 1 0 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0A B C D E = 1 1 0 1 0 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0A B C D E = 0 0 1 1 0 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0A B C D E = 1 0 1 1 0 Method1,2,3 gives 1 1A B C D E = 0 1 1 1 0 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0A B C D E = 1 1 1 1 0 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0A B C D E = 0 0 0 0 1 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0A B C D E = 1 0 0 0 1 Method1,2,3 gives 1 1A B C D E = 0 1 0 0 1 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0A B C D E = 1 1 0 0 1 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0A B C D E = 0 0 1 0 1 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0A B C D E = 1 0 1 0 1 Method1,2,3 gives 1 1A B C D E = 0 1 1 0 1 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0A B C D E = 1 1 1 0 1 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0A B C D E = 0 0 0 1 1 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0A B C D E = 1 0 0 1 1 Method1,2,3 gives 1 1A B C D E = 0 1 0 1 1 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0A B C D E = 1 1 0 1 1 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0A B C D E = 0 0 1 1 1 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0A B C D E = 1 0 1 1 1 Method1,2,3 gives 1 1A B C D E = 0 1 1 1 1 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0A B C D E = 1 1 1 1 1 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0<--->^!InsertText Testing A AND NOT (B OR C)^%NL%^%NL%^!Set %A%=0;%B%=0;%C%=0;%D%=0;%E%=0^!Set %Meth1%="Calc(MIN(A;(1 - MAX(B;C))))"^!Set %Meth2%="Calc(A * (1 - MAX(B;C)))"^!Set %Meth3%="Calc(A * (1 - B) * (1 - C))"^!InsertText Method 1 is ^%Meth1%^%NL%Method 2 is ^%Meth2%^%NL%Method 3 is ^%Meth3%^%NL%^%NL%:AGAIN^!Set %M1%=^$Calc(MIN(^%A%;(1 - MAX(^%B%;^%C%))))$^!Set %M2%=^$Calc(^%A% * (1 - MAX(^%B%;^%C%)))$^!Set %M3%=^$Calc(^%A% * (1 - ^%B%) * (1 - ^%C%))$^!InsertText A B C D E = ^%A% ^%B% ^%C% ^%D% ^%E% Method1,2,3 gives ^%M1% ^%M2% ^%M3%^%NL%; Note the test of If A=1 AND B=1 AND C=1 AND D=1 AND E=1^!IfTrue ^$Calc(^%A%*^%B%*^%C%*^%D%*^%E%)$ ^!Goto DONE^!Inc %A%^!If ^%A%=1 AGAIN^!Set %A%=0^!Inc %B%^!If ^%B%=1 AGAIN^!Set %B%=0^!Inc %C%^!If ^%C%=1 AGAIN^!Set %C%=0^!Inc %D%^!If ^%D%=1 AGAIN^!Set %D%=0^!Inc %E%^!If ^%E%=1 AGAIN:DONE^!Jump TEXT_START^!ClearVariable %A%^!ClearVariable %B%^!ClearVariable %C%^!ClearVariable %D%^!ClearVariable %E%^!ClearVariable %M1%^!ClearVariable %M2%^!ClearVariable %M3%^!ClearVariable %METH1%^!ClearVariable %METH2%^!ClearVariable %METH3%<--->Testing A AND NOT(B OR C)Method 1 is Calc(MIN(A;(1 - MAX(B;C))))Method 2 is Calc(A * (1 - MAX(B;C)))Method 3 is Calc(A * (1 - B) * (1 - C))A B C D E = 0 0 0 0 0 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0 0A B C D E = 1 0 0 0 0 Method1,2,3 gives 1 1 1A B C D E = 0 1 0 0 0 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0 0A B C D E = 1 1 0 0 0 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0 0A B C D E = 0 0 1 0 0 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0 0A B C D E = 1 0 1 0 0 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0 0A B C D E = 0 1 1 0 0 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0 0A B C D E = 1 1 1 0 0 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0 0A B C D E = 0 0 0 1 0 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0 0A B C D E = 1 0 0 1 0 Method1,2,3 gives 1 1 1A B C D E = 0 1 0 1 0 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0 0A B C D E = 1 1 0 1 0 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0 0A B C D E = 0 0 1 1 0 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0 0A B C D E = 1 0 1 1 0 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0 0A B C D E = 0 1 1 1 0 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0 0A B C D E = 1 1 1 1 0 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0 0A B C D E = 0 0 0 0 1 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0 0A B C D E = 1 0 0 0 1 Method1,2,3 gives 1 1 1A B C D E = 0 1 0 0 1 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0 0A B C D E = 1 1 0 0 1 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0 0A B C D E = 0 0 1 0 1 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0 0A B C D E = 1 0 1 0 1 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0 0A B C D E = 0 1 1 0 1 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0 0A B C D E = 1 1 1 0 1 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0 0A B C D E = 0 0 0 1 1 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0 0A B C D E = 1 0 0 1 1 Method1,2,3 gives 1 1 1A B C D E = 0 1 0 1 1 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0 0A B C D E = 1 1 0 1 1 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0 0A B C D E = 0 0 1 1 1 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0 0A B C D E = 1 0 1 1 1 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0 0A B C D E = 0 1 1 1 1 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0 0A B C D E = 1 1 1 1 1 Method1,2,3 gives 0 0 0Joy--- In ntb-clips@yahoogroups.com, <artkns@...> wrote:

**Sorry, another long post. But there's a lot to cover.**

On Wed 11 Sep 2013 08:10:08 -0700 Flo said:

"...what matters here is this specific approach which - as Wayne explained -

could apply to much more complex queries (with AND, OR, XOR, NOT etc). In

cases like that, it would be difficult to use RegEx, and compound loops

would end in extremely long "IF, ELSE IF, ELSE IF Chains" (Wayne)."

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 03:52:04 -0000 Flo said:

"Nevertheless, for me the question remains: Is there any way to enlarge Wayne's

concept to conditions like 'A AND B AND NOT (E OR D)', for example? Or is there

no way to get beyond the borders of those five conditions?"

BTW Five??? I only see four: NOT, OR, AND, XOR. And those are operators,

not conditions. What am I missing>

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Flo, I think what you are asking is: given the absence of logical operators

in Notetab Clip Code, how can I generalize the use of arithmetic operators

to apply them to complex logical expressions without obtuse and lengthy

If - Then - Else trees.

The answer has two parts:

1: The mapping of the logical operations to arithmetical operations

2: The transformation of complex logical expressions into canonical form

Regarding #1, there are a number of different mapping of logical to arithmetical

operations as Wayne and I have discussed and with no major standouts among them.

They all suffer from the inherent limitation of being strictly binary operations

in Notetab, (i.e., MAX (A,B,C,D...) is not allowed). To recap two mappings:

Operation Addition only Allowing Subtraction

============ ====================== =====================

NOT A <==> (A + 1) MOD 2 (1 - A)

A AND B <==> A * B MIN (A, B)

A OR B <==> MAX (A, B) MAX (A, B)

A XOR B <==> (A + B) MOD 2 ABS (A-B)

NOT A AND B <==> (MIN (A, B) + 1) MOD 2 1 - MIN (A,B)

NOT A OR B <==> (MAX (A, B) + 1) MOD 2 1 - MAX (A,B)

NOT A XOR B <==> (A + B + 1) MOD 2 1 - ABS (A-B)

Regarding #2 as Joy and I discussed, any logical expression can be transformed

into an equivalent DNF (an OR of ANDs), or CNF (an AND of ORs), expression. These

canonical expressions use only the three logical operators: NOT, AND and OR.

You can do that transform either by a series of transformations using

DeMorgan's laws or - easier for very complicated expressions - by using truth tables. Each row in a truth table is a conjunction (AND) of the state of the columns (conditions). The disjunction (OR) of all the rows resulting in a true (=1) state is the DNF (Disjunctive Normal Form) of the system. For example:

## A B C D E X Y1 Y2 Y3 Y DNF Term

== = = = = = = == == == = ======================

01 0 0 x 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

02 0 0 x 0 1 0 0 0 0 0

03 0 0 x 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 ¬A AND ¬B AND D AND ¬E

04 0 0 x 1 1 0 0 0 0 0

05 0 1 x 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 ¬A AND B AND ¬D AND ¬E

06 0 1 x 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 ¬A AND B AND ¬D AND E

07 0 1 x 1 0 0 0 1 1 1 ¬A AND B AND D AND ¬E

08 0 1 x 1 1 0 0 0 0 0

09 1 0 x 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

10 1 0 x 0 1 0 0 0 0 0

11 1 0 x 1 0 0 0 0 0 0

12 1 0 x 1 1 0 0 0 0 0

13 1 1 x 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 A AND B AND ¬D AND ¬E

14 1 1 x 0 1 0 0 0 0 0

15 1 1 x 1 0 0 0 0 0 0

16 1 1 x 1 1 0 0 0 0 0

For instance, taking your example, A AND B AND NOT (E OR D), (Col X),

the DNF form for X is simply row 13: X = A AND B AND ¬D AND ¬E

(where ¬ is the NOT operator). That seems like a lot of work compared

to the trivial DeMorgan transformation but this is meant to illustrate

a process so let's add some complication:

Let Y = [A AND B AND NOT (E OR D)]

OR {¬A AND [B AND (¬D OR E) OR B AND (D OR ¬E)]}

OR [(¬A AND ¬E AND (B OR D)]

= Y1 OR Y2 OR Y3

Where Y1 = A AND B AND NOT (E OR D)

Y2 = ¬A AND [B AND (¬D OR E) OR B AND (D OR ¬E)]

Y3 = (¬A AND ¬E AND (B OR D)

The Y column is the conjunction of the Y1, Y2 and Y3 columns and the final DNF

expression is just the OR (Sum), of the Y rows with true values:

Y = R3 OR R5 OR R6 OR R7 OR R13

= (¬A AND ¬B AND D AND ¬E) OR (¬A AND B AND ¬D AND ¬E) OR (¬A AND B AND ¬D AND E)

OR (¬A AND B AND D AND ¬E) OR (A AND B AND ¬D AND ¬E)

This logical expression can now be evaluated in six clear and easily followed steps,

none of which involve an If test:

Evaluate each of the five row expressions using the canonical AND operations

Evaluate the final result using the canonical OR operation on those five results.

Alternatively, the expression could be coded directly using my functions. I did find

it necessary to first transform the expression from embedded binary notation to prefix

notation. Even then I had to be very careful not to introduce an error. I could then

use NTB's replace dialog to convert to Clip syntax. Without a parser to analyze and

convert an arbitrary expression with nested parentheses to Notetab format it still is

a bit tricky. The functions work well for short or medium complexity expressions but

a truth table is easier and more reliable for anything more complex.

Y1 = and(A,B,¬or(E,D))

Y2 = and(¬A,¬E,or(B,D))

Y3 = and(¬A,or(and(B,or(¬D,E)),and(B,or(D,¬E))))

^!Set %Y1%^$AND(^%A%,^%B%,^$NOR(^%E%,^%D%)$)$

^!Set %Y2%^$AND(^$NOT(^%A%)$$,^$NOT(^%E%)$$,^$OR(^%B%,^%D%)$)$

^!Set %Y3%^$AND(^$NOT(^%A%)$$,^$OR(^$AND(^%B%,^$OR(^$NOT(^%D%)$$,^%E%)$)$,^$AND(^%B%,^$OR(^%D%,^$NOT(^%E%)$$)$)$

^!Set %Y%=^$OR(^%Y1%;^%Y2%;^%Y3%)$

Some things to notice/consider:

The astute reader will notice that Y2 is equivalent to ¬A AND B AND (D XOR E)

However, remember we are limiting ourselves to NOT, AND and OR operators.

Separating the terms into partial result columns makes it easier and less

error prone to generate the truth table.

There can be some overlap in the partial results (e.g., row 7, col Y2 and Y3)

The growth of terms (and complexity) is linear, not exponential

Changes to the system criteria (truth table), are easily and fairly reliably

propagated to the DNF expression terms (this is much, much less error prone

than If - Then - Else logic trees.

Additional columns can easily be added to record the results of alternate

logical expressions using the same worksheet and input parameters states.

The truth table is independent and external to any program language or code.

It is simply prep work prior to program implementation.

A truth table is easy to generate, easy to understand and concise in execution

Most important, using a truth table to analyze and code logic expressions is

the most reliable and least error prone method available.

OTOH, Trying to implement complex expressions by means of If - Then - Else

trees is a recipe for frustration and errors. Clear computation and program

flow is a basic requirement for generating error free code as well for

downstream maintainability. The VanWeerthuizenian Expressions get very messy

very, very quickly once you go beyond the trivial two parameter, binary

condition unless you restrict yourself to canonical forms. This is primarily

due to the restriction of the MAX and MIN functions to two operands. That is

why I removed that restriction from my AND and OR functions. However, in

canonical form the benefit of my functions is much less dramatic than I expected.

For example for R3 = ¬A AND ¬B AND D AND ¬E

^!Set %R3%=^$Calc(min((1-^%A%),min((1-^%B%),min(^%D%,(1-^%E%))));0)$

vs

^!Set %R3%=^$AND(^$NOT(^%A%)$;^$NOT(^%B%)$;^%D%;^$NOT(^%E%)$)$

I think the functions are clearer and less error prone than all the nested

parentheses and remembering the correct mappings but not earth shakingly so.

However, the major point and lesson here is the transformation to DNF

form. Whether you use the VanWeerthuizenian constructs or my functions,

the best path to error free coding and ease of maintenance is to transform

your test criteria into canonical form using a single variable for each

criteria, generate the DNF expression (by either Boolean transformations

or via a truth table), and then evaluate the resulting products and sums.

Do not use an If test until the final result.

Applying this paradigm to your example:

{A AND B|A OR B|A NOT B|A XOR B|NOT A}

Let Y1 = A AND B; Y2 = A OR B; Y3 = A NOT B; Y4 = A XOR B; Y5 = NOT A

The truth table is:

# A B Y1 Y2 Y3 Y4 Y5

= = = == == == == ==

1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1

2 0 1 0 1 0 1 1

3 1 0 0 1 1 1 0

4 1 1 1 1 0 0 0

And the DNFs for the five cases are:

Y1 = A AND B

Y2 = A OR B

Y3 = A AND ¬B

Y4 = ¬A AND B OR A AND ¬B

Y5 = ¬A

It doesn't seem like we gained much but yours is a fairly trivial test and

remember, I am illustrating a generalized process, not content.

Implementing this in a clip:

;######################### Start of Clip Code ###############################

;^!SetDebug On

^!Set %Lines%=^$GetTextLineCount$

^!Set %Row%=1; %Hits%=^%Empty%

^!Set %Case%=^?{(H=5)Find lines matching...==_A AND B|A OR B|A NOT B|A XOR B|NOT A}

:Loop

^!Jump ^%Row%

^!Set %A%=0; %B%=0; %Y%=0

^!IfMatch "^.*A.*$" "^$GetLine$" ^!Set %A%=1

^!IfMatch ".*B.*$" "^$GetLine$" ^!Set %B%=1

^!Set %Y1%=^$Calc(MIN(^%A%;^%B%))$

^!Set %Y2%=^$Calc(MAX(^%A%;^%B%))$

^!Set %Y3%=^$Calc(MIN(^%A%;1-^%B%))$

^!Set %Y41%=^$Calc(MIN(1-^%A%;^%B%))$

^!Set %Y42%=^$Calc(MIN(^%A%;1-^%B%))$

^!Set %Y4%=^$Calc(MAX(^%Y41%;^%Y42%))$

^!Set %Y5%=^$Calc(1-^%A%)$

^!IfMatch "^%Case%" "A AND B" ^!Set %Y%=^%Y1%

^!IfMatch "^%Case%" "A OR B" ^!Set %Y%=^%Y2%

^!IfMatch "^%Case%" "A NOT B" ^!Set %Y%=^%Y3%

^!IfMatch "^%Case%" "A XOR B" ^!Set %Y%=^%Y4%

^!IfMatch "^%Case%" "NOT A" ^!Set %Y%=^%Y5%

^!IfTrue ^%Y% ^!Set %Hits%=^%Hits%^$GetLine$^P

^!Inc %Row%

^!If ^$GetRow$ < ^%Lines% Loop

^!Info [L]Expression: ^%Case%^P^PMatches:^P^%Hits%

^!GoTo End

;Alternate set of logic expression calculations

^!Set %Y1%=^$AND(^%A%;^%B%)$

^!Set %Y2%=^$OR(%A%;^%B%)$

^!Set %Y3%=^$AND(^%A%;^$NOT(^%B%)$)$

^!Set %Y41%=^$AND(^$NOT(^%A%);^%B%)$;)$

^!Set %Y42%=^$AND(^%A%;^$NOT(^%B%)$)$

^!Set %Y4%=^$OR(^%Y41%;^%Y42%)$

^!Set %Y5%=^$NOT(^%A%)$

;######################### End of Clip Code ###############################

This, of course, could be rearranged to use your computed GoTos, the DNF

computations could be moved to the %case% tests with only %Y41% and %Y42%

pre-computed or other optimizations which might or might not be significant

depending on the application but would probably be at the cost of clarity

and generalization. Remember, the emphasis here is on clarity of program

flow (primarily linear), to minimize coding errors and to ease maintenance.

The various sections are segregated, similar operations are consolidated, and

program branches are minimized. A flow chart of this clip would not have any

crossed lines.

I hope this answers your questions. Art

> You want to find out how to do this Wayne's way and I'm saying

Art & Joy,

> this is a big mistake except for the simplest of cases.

Many thanks again for your contributions to this topic!

Obviously, I've been on the wrong track when looking for more complex expressions based on Wayne's concept. As Art put it...

> The VanWeerthuizenian Expressions get very messy

Your alternatives will provide a helpful basis for creating better solutions in a this field.

> very, very quickly once you go beyond the trivial

> two parameter, ...

Regards,

FloWhat is obvious to some may not be to others so here are a few more of my 3 AM thoughts...

It may simplify things to break up the logical test into parts. We have already seen that the AND operation is easy to work with so it's good to convert to all ANDs if possible. So if you are testing A AND B AND C AND (D OR E OR F), you could first create a temp variable

If (D+E+F) > 0 set T=1 else set T=0. Then you can do IfTrue(A*B*C*T)

I see no need to limit things to 0 and 1 as long as you remember to use comparisons instead of IfTrue\IfFalse.. The above could also be done as If (A*B*C*(D+E+F)) > 0 then it is True.

Also, to try to avoid NOTs, you just have to plan ahead a little. Here is a very simple example.

If you wanted to accept lines with at least 2 letters and 0 digits, you could do:

If <at least 2 letters> L=1 else L=0

If <digits exist> D=1 else D=0

Then you would have to test for L AND NOT D

BUT if you think in terms of what you want to accept and do

If <at least 2 letters> L=1 else L=0

If <digits exist> D=0 else D=1

Then you would only have to test for L AND D.

Unless you have some reason for doing so, I still say it's better to do one test at a time and skip as soon as a test fails.

I'm sure you have a good grip on this now and plenty to think about.

Joy

--- In ntb-clips@yahoogroups.com, <flo.gehrke@...> wrote:

> You want to find out how to do this Wayne's way and I'm saying

Art & Joy,

> this is a big mistake except for the simplest of cases.

Many thanks again for your contributions to this topic!

Obviously, I've been on the wrong track when looking for more complex expressions based on Wayne's concept. As Art put it...

> The VanWeerthuizenian Expressions get very messy

Your alternatives will provide a helpful basis for creating better solutions in a this field.

> very, very quickly once you go beyond the trivial

> two parameter, ...

Regards,

Flo