Re: [NTO] spam
- On 10/9/07, alice ttlg <alice.ttlg@...> wrote:
> On 10/9/07, Don - HtmlFixIt.com <don@...> wrote:I'll go further than alice and say C/R is plain evil. It's shifting
> > I just use Thunderbird and it does a pretty decent job. Ask the isp if
> > they have a challenge response system available. Those work pretty well
> > too.
> One thing to keep in mind with challenge response programs, they can
> cause all kinds of problems with mailing lists that you belong to -
the cost of filtering spam onto the senders of your email. And
sometimes, it's shifting cost onto third parties who have nothing to
do with your email.
C/R relies on the sender of the email to be correct and that is not
always so. Forging the sender on an email is trivial with most userr
email programs out there (Outlook, Thunderbird, Eudora). So you can
bet all the spambots do it :)
But what's worse is the address that is forged is often real and
valid, so some third party gets challenges for mail that they didn't
send. So in effect, they are being spammed by the C/R system.
I (and others) could go on & on, but in most anti-spam circles, it's a
stain on the ground where the dead horse was. Not that I have a strong
opinion about it, mind you ;-)
HTH, YMMV, HANW :)
My operat~1 system unders~1 long filena~1, does yours?
- That's done with my eMail client. POPFile adds a 'X-Text-Classification header'
('unclassified') and I tell my eMail program to ignore it. However I should
add that for Yahoo Groups I use the Webmail interface and rely on Yahoo on
pitching the junk, which they do very well, which is why you don't see any
pre-selection on this reply.
Sadly not every eMail client (program) is clever enough to do the necessary
--- Ed Brown <ebrown1927@...> wrote:
> It is taking some time to get my acct setup so I will ask you how to removed
> the [unclassified] in the subject line? You do not have [unclassified] in
> your subject line. How did you get rid of it. I was having the same problem,
> everytime I replied my subject line looked like this:
> Re: [unclassified] Re: [NTO] spam
> and with the [unclassified] in the subject line it was causing problems in
> archiving the messages and I had to delete each time I replied which was one
> reason that I dropped Popfile.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: fw7oaks
> To: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:32
> Subject: [unclassified] Re: [NTO] spam
> I'm using POPFile, a bit of a fiddle to set up, but the instructions are
> enough if you take your time and don't rush, the more spam you get the
> it gets.
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
- Sorry I forgot to remove the hated brackets. And as much spam as there is
any way to stop is desireable. And there are all these Spam removers which
have the ability to learn what is spam and what is not. This topic is not
only boring to you but there are spammers out there who might also find it
boring. And this is the off topic list and anything to help each other is
>This barrage of messages may not fall under the heading >SPAM, but it
>certainly is annoying!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 18:12
Subject: [notetab] Re: [NTO] spam
> This barrage of messages may not fall under the heading SPAM, but it
> certainly is annoying!
> Yahoo! Groups Links
- "Ed Brown" <ebrown1927@...> said on Oct 09, 2007 16:44 -0400 (in
It is taking some time to get my acct setup so I will ask you how to
removed the [unclassified] in the subject line? You do not have
[unclassified] in your subject line. How did you get rid of it. I was
having the same problem, everytime I replied my subject line looked
Re: [unclassified] Re: [NTO] spam
Ed: the tags can be suppressed for particular buckets - in the Popfile-UI
go to the Buckets tab where you have these choices for each bucket:
- Subject Header Modification
- X-Text-Classification Header
- X-POPFile-Link Header
- Quarantine Message
and with the [unclassified] in the subject line it was causing
problems in archiving the messages and I had to delete each time I
replied which was one reason that I dropped Popfile.
What email client are you using? With Thunderbird you can use the X-Text
Classification as the basis for filtering (including automatically putting
all Unclassified in a particular folder because each one should be
re-classified in the PopFile UI).
If interested have a look at a recent post I made to the Popfile sourceforge
- *RE: Pre-existing T-Bird filters work with
I hope you'll give it another try :-) .
K9 is another free one that does a good job.
If you've got the inclination/ability to switch from Yahoo-Web Mail to
Google-gmail you'll find that it does a pretty good job of filtering spam
and with the auto-forward to POP3 account you get (IMO) the best of both
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:32
Subject: [unclassified] Re: [NTO] spam
I'm using POPFile, a bit of a fiddle to set up, but the instructions are clear
enough if you take your time and don't rush, the more spam you get the better
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
- Axel-Berger@... wrote:
> alice ttlg wrote:We don't. We just delete them with glee! When we can remember....
> > Filtering your incoming mail is much less intrusive to legitimate
> > senders and a much better solution than challenge/response programs,
> > imho.
> Well said. There may be exceptions. I know a church warden with a well
> known and frequently published address he can't easily change and who
> gets 300 spam (spams? Is spam countable?) per day.
> In the experience of all folks here: How do elderly fuddy-duddies who
> just master email
> copy with those challenges?
- On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:32:18 +1000, you wrote:
>On Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:54 AMSame here, highly recommended. There is a free version but it's well worth
>Ed Brown wrote:
>> In the distant past there was some (much) discussion on various anti spam
>I've had MailWasher for years--not sure how many! It's great.
paying for the pro version. The best part of it is that it checks the mail 'at
the ISP level' & junk/spam get deleted 'before' it get downloaded to your
computer... great for the junk/spam that has large attachments.
>Free if you have one email address, and I think now about $50 if you have
>more than one.
>It downloads the headers and first 20 lines of each email.
>Pre-marks recognised spam. It seems to have a pretty extensive list of known
>Shows size of each email and whether there are attachments.
>You mark those from friends and it builds a "friends" list.
>You mark any spam it's missed and those are added to the black list. It
>doesn't miss very many, though.
>It has a "bounce" facility, but I don't use that. Seems pretty pointless,
>since most spam is from faked addresses.
>You can also click a button to show all of the text in any particular email
>if you want to.
>When you've looked through the headers and unwanted mail is marked, you say
>"Process Mail" and it opens your email client. You then click to "Receive
>All" and only the good emails are downloaded.
>(You have to have your client set to never check for email.)
>A bonus is that if you're on dial-up and see that a friend has sent a 2MB
>attachment, you can mark that email for deletion, then let the friend know
>that you weren't able to receive their email because it was too big for your
>Updates to paid version are seamless. You d/l the new version of the program
>and run the setup. It picks up all your existing settings. I don't know
>whether you get the same updates with the free version.
>Yahoo! Groups Links
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