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  • Edward
    Hi,Jeff, I know that trick, did not work, I could no way get past without a username and password. Ed
    Message 1 of 18 , Jun 10, 2006
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      Hi,Jeff,
      I know that trick, did not work, I could no way get past without a
      username and password.
      Ed

      Jeff Scism wrote:
      >
      >
      > sometimes if it does that you hit "cancel" and it opens normally...
      >
      > ~~
      >
      > Jeffery Scism,
      > USGenWeb Project Local Coordinator Rep
      > NC/NE region
      >
      > Edward wrote:
      >
      -------------------------cut to save on bandwidth---------------
    • Jeff
      OK trick #2, pull the button cell battery from the mother board , for about a minute, then put it back and restart. ... [Non-text portions of this message have
      Message 2 of 18 , Jun 10, 2006
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        OK trick #2, pull the button cell battery from the mother board , for
        about a minute, then put it back and restart.

        Edward wrote:

        > Hi,Jeff,
        > I know that trick, did not work, I could no way get past without a
        > username and password.
        > Ed
        >
        > Jeff Scism wrote:
        > >
        > >
        > > sometimes if it does that you hit "cancel" and it opens normally...
        > >
        > > ~~
        > >
        > > Jeffery Scism,
        > > USGenWeb Project Local Coordinator Rep
        > > NC/NE region
        > >
        > > Edward wrote:
        > >
        > -------------------------cut to save on bandwidth---------------
        >
        >



        [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      • Edward
        Jeff, I don t know about that one, someone else told me that also and when I told a local computer repair person, the answer he gave was that it would not
        Message 3 of 18 , Jun 10, 2006
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          Jeff,
          I don't know about that one, someone else told me that also and when I
          told a local computer repair person, the answer he gave was that it
          would not work, as that would only reset the password to the bios, but
          it sounds like you might be right as you are the second to suggest
          that.But anyhow too late, too late, I formated the hard drive and now it
          will not install any OS so far. I have tried now for 3 days. No luck. I
          did all the usual tricks there, and tried using the western digital DOS
          install but that gets up to a point on the install and repeats itself.
          So I am about read to get the hammer to this thing. I warned it and give
          it a little kick and now I am trying it again for the last time tonight.
          Edward

          Jeff wrote:
          >
          >
          > OK trick #2, pull the button cell battery from the mother board , for
          > about a minute, then put it back and restart.
          >
          > Edward wrote:
          >
          > > Hi,Jeff,
          > > I know that trick, did not work, I could no way get past without a
          > > username and password.
          > > Ed
          > >
          > > Jeff Scism wrote:
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > sometimes if it does that you hit "cancel" and it opens normally...
          > > >
          > > > ~~
          > > >
          > > > Jeffery Scism,
          > > > USGenWeb Project Local Coordinator Rep
          > > > NC/NE region
          > > >
          > > > Edward wrote:
          > > >
          > > -------------------------cut to save on bandwidth---------------
          > >
          > >
          >
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          >
          >
        • Jeff Scism
          Did you use the Win Disc to partition it? ~~ Jeffery Scism, USGenWeb Project Local Coordinator Rep NC/NE region
          Message 4 of 18 , Jun 10, 2006
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            Did you use the Win Disc to partition it?

            ~~

            Jeffery Scism,
            USGenWeb Project Local Coordinator Rep
            NC/NE region




            Edward wrote:

            > Jeff,
            > I don't know about that one, someone else told me that also and when I
            > told a local computer repair person, the answer he gave was that it
            > would not work, as that would only reset the password to the bios, but
            > it sounds like you might be right as you are the second to suggest
            > that.But anyhow too late, too late, I formated the hard drive and now it
            > will not install any OS so far. I have tried now for 3 days. No luck. I
            > did all the usual tricks there, and tried using the western digital DOS
            > install but that gets up to a point on the install and repeats itself.
            > So I am about read to get the hammer to this thing. I warned it and give
            > it a little kick and now I am trying it again for the last time tonight.
            > Edward
            >
            > Jeff wrote:
            > >
            > >
            > > OK trick #2, pull the button cell battery from the mother board , for
            > > about a minute, then put it back and restart.
            > >
            > > Edward wrote:
            > >
            > > > Hi,Jeff,
            > > > I know that trick, did not work, I could no way get past without a
            > > > username and password.
            > > > Ed
            > > >
            > > > Jeff Scism wrote:
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > sometimes if it does that you hit "cancel" and it opens normally...
            > > > >
            > > > > ~~
            > > > >
            > > > > Jeffery Scism,
            > > > > USGenWeb Project Local Coordinator Rep
            > > > > NC/NE region
            > > > >
            > > > > Edward wrote:
            > > > >
            > > > -------------------------cut to save on bandwidth---------------
            > > >
            > > >
            > >
            > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            > >
            > >
            >
            >
            >
            >------------------------------------------------------------------------
            >
            >No virus found in this incoming message.
            >Checked by AVG Free Edition.
            >Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/360 - Release Date: 6/9/2006
            >
            >
          • fw7oaks
            If Western Digital s DOS based low-level format is repeating itself it has done its job and is waiting for an OS to partition and format the HD disk and
            Message 5 of 18 , Jun 10, 2006
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              If Western Digital's DOS based 'low-level' format is repeating itself it
              has done its job and is waiting for an OS to partition and format the HD
              disk and install. Is the HD larger than that normally recognized by DOS ?
              (Around one or two Gigabytes - can't remember - this could be a problem).

              Does Windows 'see' the hard disk ? Or tell you there's nowhere to
              install?

              Have you tried installing Linux, some of their distributions are quite
              clever at finding HD's if that works, Windows is normally only too happy
              to overwrite a Linux partition.

              We're not at the hammer stage yet !

              fw

              --- Edward <ebrown1927@...> wrote:
            • Ed
              Jeff, No, I do not know anything about Win Disc. I used the Western Digital DOS disk install program, as I have misplaced the CD that came with the HD. It is
              Message 6 of 18 , Jun 11, 2006
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                Jeff,
                No, I do not know anything about Win Disc. I used the Western Digital DOS disk install program, as I have misplaced the CD that came with the HD. It is new, still in warranty as it is only about 6 months old. The message I that I finally get is: Disk Boot Failure, Insert System Disc And Press Enter. And I think this maybe happening by what the Western Digital DOS install disk has done. It created a special film or something similar to place on the the disk so that you could extend it to the full capacity of the disk (200 gig), as it can only use 137,000 megabytes to start with. But whatever it is they put on the disk will allow you to use XP to extend it to its full capacity or add another partition (which is what I would like to do to have a place to store data) is causing the problem.

                Everything will install up to the point you are told to restart the computer then it is suppose to come up and ask you to enter the Key Numbers. When it restarts then I get the little blue screen, and underneath it is says if you are using floppy disks to install the OS then hit the spacebar, if you are using a CD then hit C and a few seconds later it says hit the space bar. I do that and it says put the CD in the drive and hit the spacebar, I do that and it says put the CD in the CD drive and hit the spacebar, repeat, repeat then finally Disc Boot Failure, etc etc. I think it is failing to find the CD drive for some reason.

                Right now I am starting an install of an old program W2K. I have the 4 floppies install program. I am sure it will work until I get to the point of rebooting to install the Key and start the real installation. If I re run the Western Digital DOS format and install when it gets to the point the little blue screen pops and says under it that if you are using floppys then hit the spacebar. If you are using a CD then hit C and in a couple of seconds it will tell you to hit the spacebar. I do that and it can never find the CD. I really am lost at this point.

                I see that on W2K which is re partitioning the disk as XP did also. But it is a little smaller, only 131,000 megabytes and I am waiting for it to finish the partitioning to start this install after which I will have to format the disk so that it will be a new disk again for the Windows XP Home to install back on it. If ever I get to that point.
                Ed
                Ed
                ----- Original Message -----
                From: Jeff Scism
                To: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 1:00 AM
                Subject: Re: [NTO] .PPS does not open


                Did you use the Win Disc to partition it?

                ~~

                Jeffery Scism,
                USGenWeb Project Local Coordinator Rep
                NC/NE region

                Edward wrote:

                > Jeff,
                > I don't know about that one, someone else told me that also and when I
                > told a local computer repair person, the answer he gave was that it
                > would not work, as that would only reset the password to the bios, but
                > it sounds like you might be right as you are the second to suggest
                > that.But anyhow too late, too late, I formated the hard drive and now it
                > will not install any OS so far. I have tried now for 3 days. No luck. I
                > did all the usual tricks there, and tried using the western digital DOS
                > install but that gets up to a point on the install and repeats itself.
                > So I am about read to get the hammer to this thing. I warned it and give
                > it a little kick and now I am trying it again for the last time tonight.
                > Edward
                >
                > Jeff wrote:
                > >
                > >
                > > OK trick #2, pull the button cell battery from the mother board , for
                > > about a minute, then put it back and restart.
                > >
                > > Edward wrote:
                > >
                > > > Hi,Jeff,
                > > > I know that trick, did not work, I could no way get past without a
                > > > username and password.
                > > > Ed
                > > >
                > > > Jeff Scism wrote:
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > sometimes if it does that you hit "cancel" and it opens normally...
                > > > >
                > > > > ~~
                > > > >
                > > > > Jeffery Scism,
                > > > > USGenWeb Project Local Coordinator Rep
                > > > > NC/NE region
                > > > >
                > > > > Edward wrote:
                > > > >
                > > > -------------------------cut to save on bandwidth---------------
                > > >
                > > >
                > >
                > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                > >
                > >
                >
                >
                >
                >----------------------------------------------------------
                >
                >No virus found in this incoming message.
                >Checked by AVG Free Edition.
                >Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/360 - Release Date: 6/9/2006
                >
                >




                [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              • Ed
                See my reply to Jeff, yes that is the cause I think. E ... From: fw7oaks To: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 1:23 AM Subject: Re:
                Message 7 of 18 , Jun 11, 2006
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                  See my reply to Jeff, yes that is the cause I think.
                  E
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: fw7oaks
                  To: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 1:23 AM
                  Subject: Re: [NTO] .PPS does not open NOW Formatting HD


                  If Western Digital's DOS based 'low-level' format is repeating itself it
                  has done its job and is waiting for an OS to partition and format the HD
                  disk and install. Is the HD larger than that normally recognized by DOS ?
                  (Around one or two Gigabytes - can't remember - this could be a problem).

                  Does Windows 'see' the hard disk ? Or tell you there's nowhere to
                  install?

                  Have you tried installing Linux, some of their distributions are quite
                  clever at finding HD's if that works, Windows is normally only too happy
                  to overwrite a Linux partition.

                  We're not at the hammer stage yet !

                  fw

                  --- Edward <ebrown1927@...> wrote:





                  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                • Jeff Scism
                  The Win Disc is your Windows XP installation disc. Put it in and it should partition the HD, and allow you to install an Op system. ~~ Jeffery Scism, USGenWeb
                  Message 8 of 18 , Jun 11, 2006
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                    The Win Disc is your Windows XP installation disc. Put it in and it
                    should partition the HD, and allow you to install an Op system.

                    ~~

                    Jeffery Scism,
                    USGenWeb Project Local Coordinator Rep
                    NC/NE region




                    Ed wrote:

                    > Jeff,
                    > No, I do not know anything about Win Disc. I used the Western Digital
                    > DOS disk install program, as I have misplaced the CD that came with
                    > the HD. It is new, still in warranty as it is only about 6 months old.
                    > The message I that I finally get is: Disk Boot Failure, Insert System
                    > Disc And Press Enter. And I think this maybe happening by what the
                    > Western Digital DOS install disk has done. It created a special film
                    > or something similar to place on the the disk so that you could extend
                    > it to the full capacity of the disk (200 gig), as it can only use
                    > 137,000 megabytes to start with. But whatever it is they put on the
                    > disk will allow you to use XP to extend it to its full capacity or add
                    > another partition (which is what I would like to do to have a place to
                    > store data) is causing the problem.
                    >
                    > Everything will install up to the point you are told to restart the
                    > computer then it is suppose to come up and ask you to enter the Key
                    > Numbers. When it restarts then I get the little blue screen, and
                    > underneath it is says if you are using floppy disks to install the OS
                    > then hit the spacebar, if you are using a CD then hit C and a few
                    > seconds later it says hit the space bar. I do that and it says put the
                    > CD in the drive and hit the spacebar, I do that and it says put the CD
                    > in the CD drive and hit the spacebar, repeat, repeat then finally Disc
                    > Boot Failure, etc etc. I think it is failing to find the CD drive for
                    > some reason.
                    >
                    > Right now I am starting an install of an old program W2K. I have the 4
                    > floppies install program. I am sure it will work until I get to the
                    > point of rebooting to install the Key and start the real installation.
                    > If I re run the Western Digital DOS format and install when it gets to
                    > the point the little blue screen pops and says under it that if you
                    > are using floppys then hit the spacebar. If you are using a CD then
                    > hit C and in a couple of seconds it will tell you to hit the spacebar.
                    > I do that and it can never find the CD. I really am lost at this point.
                    >
                    > I see that on W2K which is re partitioning the disk as XP did also.
                    > But it is a little smaller, only 131,000 megabytes and I am waiting
                    > for it to finish the partitioning to start this install after which I
                    > will have to format the disk so that it will be a new disk again for
                    > the Windows XP Home to install back on it. If ever I get to that point.
                    > Ed
                    > Ed
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: Jeff Scism
                    > To: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ntb-OffTopic%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 1:00 AM
                    > Subject: Re: [NTO] .PPS does not open
                    >
                    > Did you use the Win Disc to partition it?
                    >
                    > ~~
                    >
                    > Jeffery Scism,
                    > USGenWeb Project Local Coordinator Rep
                    > NC/NE region
                    >
                    > Edward wrote:
                    >
                    > > Jeff,
                    > > I don't know about that one, someone else told me that also and when I
                    > > told a local computer repair person, the answer he gave was that it
                    > > would not work, as that would only reset the password to the bios, but
                    > > it sounds like you might be right as you are the second to suggest
                    > > that.But anyhow too late, too late, I formated the hard drive and now it
                    > > will not install any OS so far. I have tried now for 3 days. No luck. I
                    > > did all the usual tricks there, and tried using the western digital DOS
                    > > install but that gets up to a point on the install and repeats itself.
                    > > So I am about read to get the hammer to this thing. I warned it and give
                    > > it a little kick and now I am trying it again for the last time tonight.
                    > > Edward
                    > >
                    > > Jeff wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > OK trick #2, pull the button cell battery from the mother board , for
                    > > > about a minute, then put it back and restart.
                    > > >
                    > > > Edward wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > > Hi,Jeff,
                    > > > > I know that trick, did not work, I could no way get past without a
                    > > > > username and password.
                    > > > > Ed
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Jeff Scism wrote:
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > sometimes if it does that you hit "cancel" and it opens
                    > normally...
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > ~~
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Jeffery Scism,
                    > > > > > USGenWeb Project Local Coordinator Rep
                    > > > > > NC/NE region
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Edward wrote:
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > -------------------------cut to save on bandwidth---------------
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >----------------------------------------------------------
                    > >
                    > >No virus found in this incoming message.
                    > >Checked by AVG Free Edition.
                    > >Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/360 - Release Date: 6/9/2006
                    > >
                    > >
                    >
                    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >------------------------------------------------------------------------
                    >
                    >No virus found in this incoming message.
                    >Checked by AVG Free Edition.
                    >Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/360 - Release Date: 6/9/2006
                    >
                    >
                  • Ed
                    Jeff, OK, I did that previously and it did format the disk but it still would not go past the point where the installation shuts down and reboots and starts
                    Message 9 of 18 , Jun 11, 2006
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                      Jeff,
                      OK, I did that previously and it did format the disk but it still would not go past the point where the installation shuts down and reboots and starts the final part of the installation. When it rebooted, Disk Boot Failure. I had the 6 floppy install disks for Windows XP Pro and started that way and it did start and ran for a long time and it did partition and format the hard drive giving me a partition of approx 137,000 megabytes. It started the install, running until it reached the point where it said it would shutdown and reboot to finish the installation. When it rebooted the install program never restarted instead when it should have restarted I got the famous screen that said: Disk Boot Failure, etc., etc. Does this have something to do with boot.ini?? I can no longer do this as the 4th floppy has now failed and that is the only way I could open XP or W2K. When W2K restarted this AM I got the Disc Boot failure, place the system disk in and hit enter. The end of every try is Disk Boot Failure.
                      Ed



                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: Jeff Scism
                      To: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 11:32 AM
                      Subject: Re: [NTO] .PPS does not open


                      The Win Disc is your Windows XP installation disc. Put it in and it
                      should partition the HD, and allow you to install an Op system.

                      ~~

                      Jeffery Scism,
                      USGenWeb Project Local Coordinator Rep
                      NC/NE region

                      Ed wrote:

                      > Jeff,
                      > No, I do not know anything about Win Disc. I used the Western Digital
                      > DOS disk install program, as I have misplaced the CD that came with
                      > the HD. It is new, still in warranty as it is only about 6 months old.
                      > The message I that I finally get is: Disk Boot Failure, Insert System
                      > Disc And Press Enter. And I think this maybe happening by what the
                      > Western Digital DOS install disk has done. It created a special film
                      > or something similar to place on the the disk so that you could extend
                      > it to the full capacity of the disk (200 gig), as it can only use
                      > 137,000 megabytes to start with. But whatever it is they put on the
                      > disk will allow you to use XP to extend it to its full capacity or add
                      > another partition (which is what I would like to do to have a place to
                      > store data) is causing the problem.
                      >
                      > Everything will install up to the point you are told to restart the
                      > computer then it is suppose to come up and ask you to enter the Key
                      > Numbers. When it restarts then I get the little blue screen, and
                      > underneath it is says if you are using floppy disks to install the OS
                      > then hit the spacebar, if you are using a CD then hit C and a few
                      > seconds later it says hit the space bar. I do that and it says put the
                      > CD in the drive and hit the spacebar, I do that and it says put the CD
                      > in the CD drive and hit the spacebar, repeat, repeat then finally Disc
                      > Boot Failure, etc etc. I think it is failing to find the CD drive for
                      > some reason.
                      >
                      > Right now I am starting an install of an old program W2K. I have the 4
                      > floppies install program. I am sure it will work until I get to the
                      > point of rebooting to install the Key and start the real installation.
                      > If I re run the Western Digital DOS format and install when it gets to
                      > the point the little blue screen pops and says under it that if you
                      > are using floppys then hit the spacebar. If you are using a CD then
                      > hit C and in a couple of seconds it will tell you to hit the spacebar.
                      > I do that and it can never find the CD. I really am lost at this point.
                      >
                      > I see that on W2K which is re partitioning the disk as XP did also.
                      > But it is a little smaller, only 131,000 megabytes and I am waiting
                      > for it to finish the partitioning to start this install after which I
                      > will have to format the disk so that it will be a new disk again for
                      > the Windows XP Home to install back on it. If ever I get to that point.
                      > Ed
                      > Ed
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: Jeff Scism
                      > To: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ntb-OffTopic%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 1:00 AM
                      > Subject: Re: [NTO] .PPS does not open
                      >
                      > Did you use the Win Disc to partition it?
                      >
                      > ~~
                      >
                      > Jeffery Scism,
                      > USGenWeb Project Local Coordinator Rep
                      > NC/NE region
                      >
                      > Edward wrote:
                      >
                      > > Jeff,
                      > > I don't know about that one, someone else told me that also and when I
                      > > told a local computer repair person, the answer he gave was that it
                      > > would not work, as that would only reset the password to the bios, but
                      > > it sounds like you might be right as you are the second to suggest
                      > > that.But anyhow too late, too late, I formated the hard drive and now it
                      > > will not install any OS so far. I have tried now for 3 days. No luck. I
                      > > did all the usual tricks there, and tried using the western digital DOS
                      > > install but that gets up to a point on the install and repeats itself.
                      > > So I am about read to get the hammer to this thing. I warned it and give
                      > > it a little kick and now I am trying it again for the last time tonight.
                      > > Edward
                      > >
                      > > Jeff wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > OK trick #2, pull the button cell battery from the mother board , for
                      > > > about a minute, then put it back and restart.
                      > > >
                      > > > Edward wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > > Hi,Jeff,
                      > > > > I know that trick, did not work, I could no way get past without a
                      > > > > username and password.
                      > > > > Ed
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Jeff Scism wrote:
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > sometimes if it does that you hit "cancel" and it opens
                      > normally...
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > ~~
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Jeffery Scism,
                      > > > > > USGenWeb Project Local Coordinator Rep
                      > > > > > NC/NE region
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Edward wrote:
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > -------------------------cut to save on bandwidth---------------
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >----------------------------------------------------------
                      > >
                      > >No virus found in this incoming message.
                      > >Checked by AVG Free Edition.
                      > >Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/360 - Release Date: 6/9/2006
                      > >
                      > >
                      >
                      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >----------------------------------------------------------
                      >
                      >No virus found in this incoming message.
                      >Checked by AVG Free Edition.
                      >Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/360 - Release Date: 6/9/2006
                      >
                      >




                      [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    • Ed
                      Further information. This a two hard drive computer. HD 1 will, when hooked up, run just fine which eliminates I believe the motherboard as a problem. It is
                      Message 10 of 18 , Jun 11, 2006
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                        Further information. This a two hard drive computer. HD 1 will, when hooked up, run just fine which eliminates I believe the motherboard as a problem. It is presently disconnected and I put HD 0 in, made it the only hard drive so I could set it up without any interference with the other drive. Next, I think I will make it a two HD system and put the pin in making this HD (HD 0) the master drive and HD 1 the Slave drive. And see if I can get anything going from there.
                        Ed


                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: Jeff Scism
                        To: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 11:32 AM
                        Subject: Re: [NTO] .PPS does not open


                        The Win Disc is your Windows XP installation disc. Put it in and it
                        should partition the HD, and allow you to install an Op system.

                        ~~

                        Jeffery Scism,
                        USGenWeb Project Local Coordinator Rep
                        NC/NE region

                        Ed wrote:

                        > Jeff,
                        > No, I do not know anything about Win Disc. I used the Western Digital
                        > DOS disk install program, as I have misplaced the CD that came with
                        > the HD. It is new, still in warranty as it is only about 6 months old.
                        > The message I that I finally get is: Disk Boot Failure, Insert System
                        > Disc And Press Enter. And I think this maybe happening by what the
                        > Western Digital DOS install disk has done. It created a special film
                        > or something similar to place on the the disk so that you could extend
                        > it to the full capacity of the disk (200 gig), as it can only use
                        > 137,000 megabytes to start with. But whatever it is they put on the
                        > disk will allow you to use XP to extend it to its full capacity or add
                        > another partition (which is what I would like to do to have a place to
                        > store data) is causing the problem.
                        >
                        > Everything will install up to the point you are told to restart the
                        > computer then it is suppose to come up and ask you to enter the Key
                        > Numbers. When it restarts then I get the little blue screen, and
                        > underneath it is says if you are using floppy disks to install the OS
                        > then hit the spacebar, if you are using a CD then hit C and a few
                        > seconds later it says hit the space bar. I do that and it says put the
                        > CD in the drive and hit the spacebar, I do that and it says put the CD
                        > in the CD drive and hit the spacebar, repeat, repeat then finally Disc
                        > Boot Failure, etc etc. I think it is failing to find the CD drive for
                        > some reason.
                        >
                        > Right now I am starting an install of an old program W2K. I have the 4
                        > floppies install program. I am sure it will work until I get to the
                        > point of rebooting to install the Key and start the real installation.
                        > If I re run the Western Digital DOS format and install when it gets to
                        > the point the little blue screen pops and says under it that if you
                        > are using floppys then hit the spacebar. If you are using a CD then
                        > hit C and in a couple of seconds it will tell you to hit the spacebar.
                        > I do that and it can never find the CD. I really am lost at this point.
                        >
                        > I see that on W2K which is re partitioning the disk as XP did also.
                        > But it is a little smaller, only 131,000 megabytes and I am waiting
                        > for it to finish the partitioning to start this install after which I
                        > will have to format the disk so that it will be a new disk again for
                        > the Windows XP Home to install back on it. If ever I get to that point.
                        > Ed
                        > Ed
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: Jeff Scism
                        > To: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ntb-OffTopic%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 1:00 AM
                        > Subject: Re: [NTO] .PPS does not open
                        >
                        > Did you use the Win Disc to partition it?
                        >
                        > ~~
                        >
                        > Jeffery Scism,
                        > USGenWeb Project Local Coordinator Rep
                        > NC/NE region
                        >
                        > Edward wrote:
                        >
                        > > Jeff,
                        > > I don't know about that one, someone else told me that also and when I
                        > > told a local computer repair person, the answer he gave was that it
                        > > would not work, as that would only reset the password to the bios, but
                        > > it sounds like you might be right as you are the second to suggest
                        > > that.But anyhow too late, too late, I formated the hard drive and now it
                        > > will not install any OS so far. I have tried now for 3 days. No luck. I
                        > > did all the usual tricks there, and tried using the western digital DOS
                        > > install but that gets up to a point on the install and repeats itself.
                        > > So I am about read to get the hammer to this thing. I warned it and give
                        > > it a little kick and now I am trying it again for the last time tonight.
                        > > Edward
                        > >
                        > > Jeff wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > OK trick #2, pull the button cell battery from the mother board , for
                        > > > about a minute, then put it back and restart.
                        > > >
                        > > > Edward wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > > Hi,Jeff,
                        > > > > I know that trick, did not work, I could no way get past without a
                        > > > > username and password.
                        > > > > Ed
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Jeff Scism wrote:
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > sometimes if it does that you hit "cancel" and it opens
                        > normally...
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > ~~
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Jeffery Scism,
                        > > > > > USGenWeb Project Local Coordinator Rep
                        > > > > > NC/NE region
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Edward wrote:
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > -------------------------cut to save on bandwidth---------------
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >----------------------------------------------------------
                        > >
                        > >No virus found in this incoming message.
                        > >Checked by AVG Free Edition.
                        > >Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/360 - Release Date: 6/9/2006
                        > >
                        > >
                        >
                        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >----------------------------------------------------------
                        >
                        >No virus found in this incoming message.
                        >Checked by AVG Free Edition.
                        >Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/360 - Release Date: 6/9/2006
                        >
                        >




                        [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      • fw7oaks
                        Hope you don t mind me jumping in here, but I had this problem before myself. CHECK that the hard drive cable is properly seated both ends !, just one pins not
                        Message 11 of 18 , Jun 11, 2006
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                          Hope you don't mind me jumping in here, but I had this problem before
                          myself. CHECK that the hard drive cable is properly seated both ends !,
                          just one pins not making a proper contact can give this type of error and
                          yes boot.ini tells windows where to look.

                          Best of luck

                          fw

                          --- Ed <ebrown1927@...> wrote:

                          > Jeff,
                          > OK, I did that previously and it did format the disk but it still would
                          > not go past the point where the installation shuts down and reboots and
                          > starts the final part of the installation. When it rebooted, Disk Boot
                          > Failure. I had the 6 floppy install disks for Windows XP Pro and
                          > started that way and it did start and ran for a long time and it did
                          > partition and format the hard drive giving me a partition of approx
                          > 137,000 megabytes. It started the install, running until it reached the
                          > point where it said it would shutdown and reboot to finish the
                          > installation. When it rebooted the install program never restarted
                          > instead when it should have restarted I got the famous screen that said:
                          > Disk Boot Failure, etc., etc. Does this have something to do with
                          > boot.ini?? I can no longer do this as the 4th floppy has now failed and
                          > that is the only way I could open XP or W2K. When W2K restarted this AM
                          > I got the Disc Boot failure, place the system disk in and hit enter. The
                          > end of every try is Disk Boot Failure.
                          > Ed
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: Jeff Scism
                          > To: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com
                          > Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 11:32 AM
                          > Subject: Re: [NTO] .PPS does not open
                          >
                          >
                          > The Win Disc is your Windows XP installation disc. Put it in and it
                          > should partition the HD, and allow you to install an Op system.
                          >
                          > ~~
                          >
                          > Jeffery Scism,
                          > USGenWeb Project Local Coordinator Rep
                          > NC/NE region
                          >
                          > Ed wrote:
                          >
                          > > Jeff,
                          > > No, I do not know anything about Win Disc. I used the Western Digital
                          > > DOS disk install program, as I have misplaced the CD that came with
                          > > the HD. It is new, still in warranty as it is only about 6 months old.
                          >
                          > > The message I that I finally get is: Disk Boot Failure, Insert System
                          > > Disc And Press Enter. And I think this maybe happening by what the
                          > > Western Digital DOS install disk has done. It created a special film
                          > > or something similar to place on the the disk so that you could extend
                          >
                          > > it to the full capacity of the disk (200 gig), as it can only use
                          > > 137,000 megabytes to start with. But whatever it is they put on the
                          > > disk will allow you to use XP to extend it to its full capacity or add
                          >
                          > > another partition (which is what I would like to do to have a place to
                          >
                          > > store data) is causing the problem.
                          > >
                          > > Everything will install up to the point you are told to restart the
                          > > computer then it is suppose to come up and ask you to enter the Key
                          > > Numbers. When it restarts then I get the little blue screen, and
                          > > underneath it is says if you are using floppy disks to install the OS
                          > > then hit the spacebar, if you are using a CD then hit C and a few
                          > > seconds later it says hit the space bar. I do that and it says put the
                          >
                          > > CD in the drive and hit the spacebar, I do that and it says put the CD
                          >
                          > > in the CD drive and hit the spacebar, repeat, repeat then finally Disc
                          >
                          > > Boot Failure, etc etc. I think it is failing to find the CD drive for
                          > > some reason.
                          > >
                          > > Right now I am starting an install of an old program W2K. I have the 4
                          >
                          > > floppies install program. I am sure it will work until I get to the
                          > > point of rebooting to install the Key and start the real installation.
                          >
                          > > If I re run the Western Digital DOS format and install when it gets to
                          >
                          > > the point the little blue screen pops and says under it that if you
                          > > are using floppys then hit the spacebar. If you are using a CD then
                          > > hit C and in a couple of seconds it will tell you to hit the spacebar.
                          >
                          > > I do that and it can never find the CD. I really am lost at this
                          > point.
                          > >
                          > > I see that on W2K which is re partitioning the disk as XP did also.
                          > > But it is a little smaller, only 131,000 megabytes and I am waiting
                          > > for it to finish the partitioning to start this install after which I
                          > > will have to format the disk so that it will be a new disk again for
                          > > the Windows XP Home to install back on it. If ever I get to that
                          > point.
                          > > Ed
                          > > Ed
                          > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > From: Jeff Scism
                          > > To: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com
                          > <mailto:ntb-OffTopic%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 1:00 AM
                          > > Subject: Re: [NTO] .PPS does not open
                          > >
                          > > Did you use the Win Disc to partition it?
                          > >
                          > > ~~
                          > >
                          > > Jeffery Scism,
                          > > USGenWeb Project Local Coordinator Rep
                          > > NC/NE region
                          > >
                          > > Edward wrote:
                          > >
                          > > > Jeff,
                          > > > I don't know about that one, someone else told me that also and when
                          > I
                          > > > told a local computer repair person, the answer he gave was that it
                          > > > would not work, as that would only reset the password to the bios,
                          > but
                          > > > it sounds like you might be right as you are the second to suggest
                          > > > that.But anyhow too late, too late, I formated the hard drive and
                          > now it
                          > > > will not install any OS so far. I have tried now for 3 days. No
                          > luck. I
                          > > > did all the usual tricks there, and tried using the western digital
                          > DOS
                          > > > install but that gets up to a point on the install and repeats
                          > itself.
                          > > > So I am about read to get the hammer to this thing. I warned it and
                          > give
                          > > > it a little kick and now I am trying it again for the last time
                          > tonight.
                          > > > Edward
                          > > >
                          > > > Jeff wrote:
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > OK trick #2, pull the button cell battery from the mother board ,
                          > for
                          > > > > about a minute, then put it back and restart.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Edward wrote:
                          > > > >
                          > > > > > Hi,Jeff,
                          > > > > > I know that trick, did not work, I could no way get past without
                          > a
                          > > > > > username and password.
                          > > > > > Ed
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Jeff Scism wrote:
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > sometimes if it does that you hit "cancel" and it opens
                          > > normally...
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > ~~
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Jeffery Scism,
                          > > > > > > USGenWeb Project Local Coordinator Rep
                          > > > > > > NC/NE region
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Edward wrote:
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > -------------------------cut to save on bandwidth---------------
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >----------------------------------------------------------
                          > > >
                          > > >No virus found in this incoming message.
                          > > >Checked by AVG Free Edition.
                          > > >Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/360 - Release Date:
                          > 6/9/2006
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > >
                          > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >----------------------------------------------------------
                          > >
                          > >No virus found in this incoming message.
                          > >Checked by AVG Free Edition.
                          > >Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/360 - Release Date: 6/9/2006
                          > >
                          > >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          >
                          >
                        • dave
                          Hi Ed I do not know whether you have an operating system or not ,if not I download a small program ,I think from IBM called WIPE about 30k ,it will write
                          Message 12 of 18 , Jun 11, 2006
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                            Hi Ed
                            I do not know whether you have an operating system or not ,if not I download
                            a small program ,I think from IBM called WIPE about 30k ,it will write
                            zero's to all your harddrive
                            i.e. your harddrive does not know what it is anymore.
                            then set your computer bios to boot CD and follow the prompt
                            when it gets to format your HD go half and QUICK other wize you can go and
                            have lunch
                            your choice for FAT32 or NTFS if you NTFS do not bother with dos.
                            THANKYOU DAVE M

                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: "Ed" <ebrown1927@...>
                            To: <ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 6:19 AM
                            Subject: Re: [NTO] .PPS does not open


                            > Further information. This a two hard drive computer. HD 1 will, when
                            > hooked up, run just fine which eliminates I believe the motherboard as a
                            > problem. It is presently disconnected and I put HD 0 in, made it the only
                            > hard drive so I could set it up without any interference with the other
                            > drive. Next, I think I will make it a two HD system and put the pin in
                            > making this HD (HD 0) the master drive and HD 1 the Slave drive. And see
                            > if I can get anything going from there.
                            > Ed
                            >
                            >
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: Jeff Scism
                            > To: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com
                            > Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 11:32 AM
                            > Subject: Re: [NTO] .PPS does not open
                            >
                            >
                            > The Win Disc is your Windows XP installation disc. Put it in and it
                            > should partition the HD, and allow you to install an Op system.
                            >
                            > ~~
                            >
                            > Jeffery Scism,
                            > USGenWeb Project Local Coordinator Rep
                            > NC/NE region
                            >
                            > Ed wrote:
                            >
                            >> Jeff,
                            >> No, I do not know anything about Win Disc. I used the Western Digital
                            >> DOS disk install program, as I have misplaced the CD that came with
                            >> the HD. It is new, still in warranty as it is only about 6 months old.
                            >> The message I that I finally get is: Disk Boot Failure, Insert System
                            >> Disc And Press Enter. And I think this maybe happening by what the
                            >> Western Digital DOS install disk has done. It created a special film
                            >> or something similar to place on the the disk so that you could extend
                            >> it to the full capacity of the disk (200 gig), as it can only use
                            >> 137,000 megabytes to start with. But whatever it is they put on the
                            >> disk will allow you to use XP to extend it to its full capacity or add
                            >> another partition (which is what I would like to do to have a place to
                            >> store data) is causing the problem.
                            >>
                            >> Everything will install up to the point you are told to restart the
                            >> computer then it is suppose to come up and ask you to enter the Key
                            >> Numbers. When it restarts then I get the little blue screen, and
                            >> underneath it is says if you are using floppy disks to install the OS
                            >> then hit the spacebar, if you are using a CD then hit C and a few
                            >> seconds later it says hit the space bar. I do that and it says put the
                            >> CD in the drive and hit the spacebar, I do that and it says put the CD
                            >> in the CD drive and hit the spacebar, repeat, repeat then finally Disc
                            >> Boot Failure, etc etc. I think it is failing to find the CD drive for
                            >> some reason.
                            >>
                            >> Right now I am starting an install of an old program W2K. I have the 4
                            >> floppies install program. I am sure it will work until I get to the
                            >> point of rebooting to install the Key and start the real installation.
                            >> If I re run the Western Digital DOS format and install when it gets to
                            >> the point the little blue screen pops and says under it that if you
                            >> are using floppys then hit the spacebar. If you are using a CD then
                            >> hit C and in a couple of seconds it will tell you to hit the spacebar.
                            >> I do that and it can never find the CD. I really am lost at this point.
                            >>
                            >> I see that on W2K which is re partitioning the disk as XP did also.
                            >> But it is a little smaller, only 131,000 megabytes and I am waiting
                            >> for it to finish the partitioning to start this install after which I
                            >> will have to format the disk so that it will be a new disk again for
                            >> the Windows XP Home to install back on it. If ever I get to that point.
                            >> Ed
                            >> Ed
                            >> ----- Original Message -----
                            >> From: Jeff Scism
                            >> To: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ntb-OffTopic%40yahoogroups.com>
                            >> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 1:00 AM
                            >> Subject: Re: [NTO] .PPS does not open
                            >>
                            >> Did you use the Win Disc to partition it?
                            >>
                            >> ~~
                            >>
                            >> Jeffery Scism,
                            >> USGenWeb Project Local Coordinator Rep
                            >> NC/NE region
                            >>
                            >> Edward wrote:
                            >>
                            >> > Jeff,
                            >> > I don't know about that one, someone else told me that also and when I
                            >> > told a local computer repair person, the answer he gave was that it
                            >> > would not work, as that would only reset the password to the bios, but
                            >> > it sounds like you might be right as you are the second to suggest
                            >> > that.But anyhow too late, too late, I formated the hard drive and now
                            >> > it
                            >> > will not install any OS so far. I have tried now for 3 days. No luck. I
                            >> > did all the usual tricks there, and tried using the western digital DOS
                            >> > install but that gets up to a point on the install and repeats itself.
                            >> > So I am about read to get the hammer to this thing. I warned it and
                            >> > give
                            >> > it a little kick and now I am trying it again for the last time
                            >> > tonight.
                            >> > Edward
                            >> >
                            >> > Jeff wrote:
                            >> > >
                            >> > >
                            >> > > OK trick #2, pull the button cell battery from the mother board , for
                            >> > > about a minute, then put it back and restart.
                            >> > >
                            >> > > Edward wrote:
                            >> > >
                            >> > > > Hi,Jeff,
                            >> > > > I know that trick, did not work, I could no way get past without a
                            >> > > > username and password.
                            >> > > > Ed
                            >> > > >
                            >> > > > Jeff Scism wrote:
                            >> > > > >
                            >> > > > >
                            >> > > > > sometimes if it does that you hit "cancel" and it opens
                            >> normally...
                            >> > > > >
                            >> > > > > ~~
                            >> > > > >
                            >> > > > > Jeffery Scism,
                            >> > > > > USGenWeb Project Local Coordinator Rep
                            >> > > > > NC/NE region
                            >> > > > >
                            >> > > > > Edward wrote:
                            >> > > > >
                            >> > > > -------------------------cut to save on bandwidth---------------
                            >> > > >
                            >> > > >
                            >> > >
                            >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                            >> > >
                            >> > >
                            >> >
                            >> >
                            >> >
                            >> >----------------------------------------------------------
                            >> >
                            >> >No virus found in this incoming message.
                            >> >Checked by AVG Free Edition.
                            >> >Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/360 - Release Date: 6/9/2006
                            >> >
                            >> >
                            >>
                            >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                            >>
                            >>
                            >>
                            >>----------------------------------------------------------
                            >>
                            >>No virus found in this incoming message.
                            >>Checked by AVG Free Edition.
                            >>Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/360 - Release Date: 6/9/2006
                            >>
                            >>
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
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                          • John Mitchell
                            Ed How old is your copy of XP Pro? The fact that you are working with floppy disks suggests it may not be bang up to date. You need at least SP1 to be able to
                            Message 13 of 18 , Jun 11, 2006
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                              Ed

                              How old is your copy of XP Pro? The fact that you are working with floppy disks suggests it may not be bang up to date. You need at least SP1 to be able to successfully install to an unpartitioned big disk (See http://www.48bitlba.com/ for more info on this topic).

                              As a quick way around the problem you might consider using a partition manager such as BootitNG (See http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/bootitng.html) to split your big disk up into a target partition for your operating system and a separate data partition. I keep my operating system partition (C: drive) at 7.5GB and have never had a problem running out of space. Note, however, that if you do this you should move/remap your "My Documents" structure to your data partition and you should also change the system environment variables TEMP and TMP to point to your data partition rather than the default setting of %USERPROFILE%\Local Settings\Temp.

                              Regards, John M
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