Re: [NTO] Motherboard and Processor PLUS
- Jody et al,
At 01:04 PM 3/4/01, you wrote:
>I will wait for Jim Hall to post if he is still on the list toJust a few thoughts on my way out the door.
>see if he can add any thing, especially about the 700MHz running
>better than say a 900MHz. The 1GHz was probably more of wishful
>thinking. <g> I suppose if I just get the board to go up that
>high I can always upgrade as they get cheaper and more stable
>then pass the other off on the kids. ;)
For the most part today, I don't think it makes that much "NOTICEABLE"
difference in overall performance whether you go with AMD or Intel, one
motherboard or another.
Plan on spending $1000 - $3000 to put together a good and complete system
depending on your preferences. Remember that a 21" monitor and a laserjet
printer cost more than any 5 Motherboards out there. Most of the expense in
a system is in peripherals, not the CPU and motherboard (I consider the CPU
and MB to be expendables which have to be replaced every couple of years
but I want my printer and monitor to last a few more)
Put your major money into those areas that you use, mainly the monitor,
mouse, cdwriter, printer. If you print hundreds of letters, then get a
laserjet printer, if you print lots of color graphics then get an inkjet
(or maybe you need both - I do). Most people don't have the need for an E
size plotter but a good one costs more than 3 computers and in essence is
just a big printer.
With anything above 500mhz for the most part the Computer will be waiting
on you more than you will be waiting on it and you probably won't notice
the difference between 600mhz and 800mhz other than on the benchmark tests.
If you are doing lots of number crunching (ie big cad files, gaming, or
major graphics type work) then the processor speed will be noticeable,
otherwise you will gain more "NOTICEABLE" speed by adding ram, up to 512MB
(today) and faster peripherals.
The faster the processor the more that temperature stability (environmental
control) becomes a problem.
On my main machine I am running an I-Will MB (~$120-$150) which has all of
the bells and whistles for the advocate and easy access for the novice. It
just happened to be the MB that came in the bundle that I bought on sale
and I can't complain about how well it works.
If I replaced it, it would be with an Intel simply because Intel boards are
tested with Intel CPU's by the people who make them and who have the inside
scoop on Intel's strengths and weaknesses and I personally prefer Intel to
AMD. (I'm not trying to start as war here, it is just my personal
preference, I know many people who are running AMD and are quite happy with
it. BTW, I'm also from Ford truck country <g> and yes I've had some Chevies
Usually I don't go with brand name readymades but as far as Bang for Buck
goes, I have recently recommended the "e-machine" to several people. For a
plug and play 500MB Plus machine you pay about $500 for you can't get much
better performance (if you add 128MB of RAM) for the dollar. Of course you
do have to spend a few minutes getting rid of all of the advertising on the
For appreciable quality and performance the 800Mhz IBM will get your
attention as soon as you open the case.
I wouldn't buy one for myself but it is a sweet machine for a readymade
(and obviously more expensive).
Finally, the major differences in buying a readymade and putting a system
together yourself is who has responsibility for system integration and
coping with peripheral incompatibilities. Also, if you build the system
yourself, you have all of the documentation and driver disks for your
peripherals, where a readymade usually just comes with an "unuseable" users
manual and a "System" disk set.
The people who offer readymade systems have usually resolved the peripheral
incompatibility problems for you and if you have a problem in this area
yourself, it can be a real pain to resolve and can be a little expensive if
you have to keep taking things back and exchanging them (this is not the
problem it used to be).
Remember, the fun half is the talking about it and shopping around and
spending the money once you have committed. The formatting and copying
files is the same on all of them.
Just my thoughts,
PS Be sure to get an optical mouse - no more cussing and cleaning encoder
- Hi Jim,
Thanks for the reply...
>For appreciable quality and performance the 800Mhz IBM will get yourSo, are you saying if I go with a 800Mhz and 526MB that it should
>attention as soon as you open the case.
out perform a 1.1Ghz and 256MB? Or, should I go ahead with the
latter and at a later date add the 256MB RAM to it?
>Remember, the fun half is the talking about it and shoppingYes, and the putting it together is fun for me too! :) I like
>around and spending the money once you have committed.
the thrill of the first boot up and especially if it does not
work because that means I get to troubleshoot!
>PS Be sure to get an optical mouse - no more cussing and cleaningI'm always way behind on everything. I just got my first wheel
mouse about 6 months ago. Give me a year or two on the optical. <g>
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- At 01:09 PM 3/5/2001 +0000, you wrote:
>FIC AZ11E RETAIL BOX 2 YR WARRANTY AZ-11-E ATA100 Socket AI'd go ahead and go with the ABit MB Jody, for the reasons we chatted about
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>It would cost me about $75 more to go with ABit in a comparable
>MB and the 1.1Ghz. I figured I'd go ahead and get a mid-tower
>w/300W power supply and it will make it much easier for me that
on the phone :)
I am just paranoid about the FIC because of their mother board specific
drivers - but my AMD K6-iii 450mhz is sitting on an FIC MB and does fine
with everything but you know what <HG>
And the new tower and PS sound like good choices also.
- Hi Doc,
>>FIC AZ11E RETAIL BOX 2 YR WARRANTY AZ-11-E ATA100 Socket AThank, I'll look into some other boards also, but I believe it
>I'd go ahead and go with the ABit MB Jody, for the reasons we
>chatted about on the phone :)
>I am just paranoid about the FIC because of their mother board
>specific drivers - but my AMD K6-iii 450mhz is sitting on an FIC
>MB and does fine with everything but you know what <HG>
>And the new tower and PS sound like good choices also.
was your NVidia TNT with the MB causing the problem for you and
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At 08:57 AM 3/5/01, you wrote:
>Hi Jim,If I had to make that choice, I'd take the 1.1 Ghz (If I didn't have to
>So, are you saying if I go with a 800Mhz and 526MB that it should
>out perform a 1.1Ghz and 256MB? Or, should I go ahead with the
>latter and at a later date add the 256MB RAM to it?
worry about an overly warm environment) and add more ram later. 256MB will
be okay for awhile yet.