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  • Malcolm Dean
    Here s an e-mail from another list - one concerning a new hypertext system now under development by Doug Engelbart, inventor of the mouse. I requested such a
    Message 1 of 6 , Oct 2, 2000
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      Here's an e-mail from another list - one concerning a new hypertext system
      now under development by Doug Engelbart, inventor of the mouse. I requested
      such a feature earlier, noting that it exists in InfoSelect, the most
      advanced PIM on the market.

      Basically, I want the ability to highlight text, then hit an icon and have a
      fresh document created for it in NoteTab (just like InfoSelect can do,
      except it creates a "note" within its textbase, not a separate
      file/document.

      Malcolm Dean
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      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Henry van Eyken" <vaneyken@...>
      To: <ohs-dev@...>; "Doug Engelbart - Bootstrap Institute"
      <doug@...>
      Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 5:24 AM
      Subject: Worthwhile feature for OHS?


      > Many long years ago, I learned how to manipulate information on a GUI
      > window and transfer the results directly (without cut-&-paste) to any
      > window on the screen. Thus, for example, one can draw a box around a
      > mathematical expression and have the answer appearing at the cursor on
      > the press of a key. That was done with an Atari ST where the information
      > was transferred through the input-output buffer (iorec). One person used
      > the technique to convert on-screen data directly into bar graphs!
      >
      > I also used the iorec for transfering information from my "Fleabyte"
      > calculators to any editor or wordprocessor by simple point-&-click. See
      > illustration and caption in
      >
      > http://www.fleabyte.org/archives-round_one.html#Good uses for BASIC
      >
      > I wonder whether this might be a useful technique for use in an OHS. It
      > would permit immediate, on-the-spot evaluation of information; most
      > obviously numerical information.
      >
      > Some time ago, I mentioned on this forum the Be operating system (BeOS).
      > Direct transfer of information is a design feature of that OS. For
      > example, they have a demo where a ball bouncing around in a chamber can
      > bounce directly through an exit into a chamber shown in another window -
      > back and forth.
      >
      > Just a thought ...
      >
      > Henry
    • Saliers
      ... Notetab bears a resemblance to InfoSelect when using the Outline mode. Select your text. Copy. Move your mouse over the topics bar. Right click. Select
      Message 2 of 6 , Oct 2, 2000
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        At 06:29 AM 10/2/00 -0700, you wrote:
        >Basically, I want the ability to highlight text, then hit an icon and have a
        >fresh document created for it in NoteTab (just like InfoSelect can do,
        >except it creates a "note" within its textbase, not a separate
        >file/document.

        Notetab bears a resemblance to InfoSelect when using the Outline mode.
        Select your text. Copy. Move your mouse over the topics bar. Right click.
        Select "Add from clipboard". Done!

        Probably someone could write a clip to automate these steps. For me, I
        still want a way to rapid fire switch between clip libraries without having
        to use the mouse ...
      • djust@bigfoot.com
        Good morning, everyone! I m now on beta 3, where File|Send has indeed stopped freezing, but I still have a problem with the interaction between NTP and OE 5.
        Message 3 of 6 , Oct 3, 2000
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          Good morning, everyone!

          I'm now on beta 3, where File|Send has indeed stopped freezing, but I
          still have a problem with the interaction between NTP and OE 5.

          I'd like to be able to make up an ordinary HTML page in NTP, send it
          to OE, and have OE send it as an email properly formatted in HTML.
          This used to work through File|Send in Windows 95 using Netscape 4 as
          my MAPI client.

          Now, with Win98 and and using File|Send, OE reads the HTML as text,
          with all of the tags shown to the reader but not executed by his/her
          (or my) email client.

          Any ideas?

          Thanks,
          David.
        • Jody
          Hi David, ... That is good news! ... My guess is you would have to use a Clip using perhaps mailto: and send the file as an attachment with your OE5 settings
          Message 4 of 6 , Oct 3, 2000
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            Hi David,

            >I'm now on beta 3, where File|Send has indeed stopped freezing,
            >but I still have a problem with the interaction between NTP and
            >OE 5.

            That is good news!

            >I'd like to be able to make up an ordinary HTML page in NTP, send
            >it to OE, and have OE send it as an email properly formatted in
            >HTML. This used to work through File|Send in Windows 95 using
            >Netscape 4 as my MAPI client.
            >
            >Now, with Win98 and and using File|Send, OE reads the HTML as
            >text, with all of the tags shown to the reader but not executed
            >by his/her (or my) email client.

            My guess is you would have to use a Clip using perhaps mailto:
            and send the file as an attachment with your OE5 settings set to
            send HTML attachments in the body of the message. I don't know
            how you set that in OE5 unless it is automatic.

            Perhaps Eric can work a wonder with it.

            Happy NoteTab'n,
            Jody Adair

            The NoteTabbers Assistant Page
            http://www.sureword.com/notetab

            The NoteTab Basic Discussion List
            mailto:NoteTab-Subscribe@...
            mailto:NoteTab-UnSubscribe@...
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          • Mike Wilkinson
            Hi David, I m not familiar with NTB v4.83, but I have played around with v4.82 and Outlook Express 5. I have found two ways to create an HTML document that can
            Message 5 of 6 , Oct 4, 2000
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              Hi David,

              I'm not familiar with NTB v4.83, but I have played around with v4.82
              and Outlook Express 5. I have found two ways to create an HTML
              document that can be sent as an e-mail using OE5.

              First, you can create an HTML document and save it, preferably to the
              root directory (c:\file.htm). Then, from within OE5 select
              Message|New Message Using...|Web Page. You'll have to type in the
              location of the HTML document because OE5 doesn't give you a Browse
              function. Using the example file above as an example, use the format
              file:///c:/file.htm. If you've managed to type everything correctly,
              you will then see your HTML document in all of its glory. To see what
              OE5 has done to your beautifully crafted code, select View|Source
              Edit and then click on the Source tab at the bottom of the page.
              You'll see that OE5 has inserted some Meta tags, whatever it thinks
              is the correct document type and more.

              I prefer this approach:

              Open your HTML document and OE5. From within OE5 click on Message|New
              Message (or Ctrl+N). Once in the new message window, make sure you
              have selected Format|Rich Text (HTML), then click View|Source Edit
              and then click on the Source tab at the bottom of the page. Highlight
              everything OE5 has already put in there and delete it. Then copy and
              paste all of your HTML code from the document you have open in NTB
              into the Source window in OE5. Click on the Preview button and you'll
              see the OE5 rendition of your HTML document. Click on Source again
              and you'll see what OE5 has done to your code. In this case, it won't
              be too bad - just a couple of meta tags. You won't be able to make
              them go away permanently.

              Two notes:

              - You will probably find that OE5 renders your text in using the font
              that you have selected as default within OE5 (not your default
              browser font). If you want another font, you will have to specify it
              in a font tag within your HTML document.

              - If you want to include images in your document, you will probably
              want to upload them to a host and then refer to them with absolute
              rather than relative addresses in your HTML document. In other words,
              use the format: <img
              scr="http://www.yourwebsite.com/images/image1.jpg">

              I'm sure there are e-mail clients that make this simpler, but if
              you're using OE5, in actual practice the second method I outlined is
              pretty quick.

              Good Luck!

              Mike Wilkinson
              Websites-Graphics-Writing
            • Jody
              Hi Mike and David, I just sent you a Clip to do this to use at your own risk. I have to reinstall OE5 in order to test and don t know when I can get to
              Message 6 of 6 , Oct 4, 2000
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                Hi Mike and David,

                I just sent you a Clip to do this to use at your own risk. <g>
                I have to reinstall OE5 in order to test and don't know when I
                can get to that.

                >file:///c:/file.htm.

                Just a regular drive path worked for me such as:

                G:\notetab\html\clipbar.html


                Happy NoteTab'n,
                Jody Adair

                The NoteTabbers Assistant Page
                http://www.sureword.com/notetab

                The NoteTab Basic Discussion List
                mailto:NoteTab-Subscribe@...
                mailto:NoteTab-UnSubscribe@...
                http://www.egroups.com/group/notetab
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