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  • Patricia Tidmarsh
    Could you supply a couple of URLs for up-to-date designs with CSS. Thanks
    Message 1 of 16 , Sep 9 4:23 PM
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      Could you supply a couple of URLs for up-to-date designs with CSS.
      Thanks





      On Sat, 9 Sep 2006, sisterscape wrote:

      > First off, the code doesn't validate -
      > http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fgpayne2.home.mindspring.com%2Findex.html
      >
      > Second, it contains many deprecated elements.
      >
      > Third, CSS is under-utilized.
      >
      > You didn't ask but . . . aesthetically, the look is very retro,
      > mid-90s. The colors are a bit too vibrant for my taste and hurt my
      > eyes.
      > And sorry but I can't really say there is a design there at all.
      >
      > Can't comments on the pages you requested because all the links are
      > bringing up a 500 Internal Server Error. I am even unable to access
      > your style sheet.
      >
      > sisterscaoe
      >
      > --- gane423 <gane423@...> wrote:
      >
      >> at http://gpayne2.home.mindspring.com/index.html
      >>
      >> and see if anything serious is wrong with the Source coding,
      >> Particularly for the "Family Pictures" and "Radio" pages and how what
      >>
      >> problems are found could be fixed?
      >>
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    • Margaret Peloquin
      Most commercial and university sites now use CSS so examples are all over the place. One of my favorite places to see the power of CSS is
      Message 2 of 16 , Sep 9 4:38 PM
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        Most commercial and university sites now use CSS so examples are all over the
        place. One of my favorite places to see the power of CSS is
        http://www.csszengarden.com/
        There you can see the same page information rendered to look different with a
        variety of style sheets (CSS).

        If you want to learn more about CSS, here are some places to start:
        http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp
        http://www.westciv.com/style_master/academy/hands_on_tutorial/index.html


        Patricia Tidmarsh <patricia@...> said:

        >
        > Could you supply a couple of URLs for up-to-date designs with CSS.
        > Thanks
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > On Sat, 9 Sep 2006, sisterscape wrote:
        >
        > > First off, the code doesn't validate -
        > >
        http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fgpayne2.home.mindspring.com%2Findex.html
        > >
        > > Second, it contains many deprecated elements.
        > >
        > > Third, CSS is under-utilized.
        > >
        > > You didn't ask but . . . aesthetically, the look is very retro,
        > > mid-90s. The colors are a bit too vibrant for my taste and hurt my
        > > eyes.
        > > And sorry but I can't really say there is a design there at all.
        > >
        > > Can't comments on the pages you requested because all the links are
        > > bringing up a 500 Internal Server Error. I am even unable to access
        > > your style sheet.
        > >
        > > sisterscaoe
        > >
        > > --- gane423 <gane423@...> wrote:
        > >
        > >> at http://gpayne2.home.mindspring.com/index.html
        > >>
        > >> and see if anything serious is wrong with the Source coding,
        > >> Particularly for the "Family Pictures" and "Radio" pages and how what
        > >>
        > >> problems are found could be fixed?
        > >>
        > >> Using NoteTab Light 4.95 (Freeware version).
        > >>
        > >
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      • Lee Underwood
        Another good site for some basic templates to get you started is: http://www.code-sucks.com/css%20layouts/index.php Lee On 9/9/2006 07:23 PM, Patricia Tidmarsh
        Message 3 of 16 , Sep 9 5:24 PM
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          Another good site for some basic templates to get you started is:

          http://www.code-sucks.com/css%20layouts/index.php

          Lee



          On 9/9/2006 07:23 PM, Patricia Tidmarsh wrote:
          ........................................................

          >Could you supply a couple of URLs for up-to-date designs with CSS.
          >Thanks
          >
          ........................................................
        • sisterscape
          You can judge for yourself how up-to-date they are but all my sites are 99.9% tableless, with CSS separated from HTML markup. You can browse from this page
          Message 4 of 16 , Sep 9 5:56 PM
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            You can judge for yourself how "up-to-date" they are but all my sites
            are 99.9% tableless, with CSS separated from HTML markup. You can
            browse from this page - http://www.eartherdesigns.com/portfolio.html
            Take a look at the style sheets too.

            Keep in mind that I'm not designing much anymore so don't know quite
            what they're doing in current browser versions. I did see a problem
            with IE 7 on one of them that I'm hoping M$ will fix before the final
            release.

            sisterscape

            --- Patricia Tidmarsh <patricia@...> wrote:

            >
            > Could you supply a couple of URLs for up-to-date designs with CSS.
            > Thanks
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > On Sat, 9 Sep 2006, sisterscape wrote:
            >
            > > First off, the code doesn't validate -
            > >
            >
            http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fgpayne2.home.mindspring.com%2Findex.html
            > >
            > > Second, it contains many deprecated elements.
            > >
            > > Third, CSS is under-utilized.
            > >
            > > You didn't ask but . . . aesthetically, the look is very retro,
            > > mid-90s. The colors are a bit too vibrant for my taste and hurt my
            > > eyes.
            > > And sorry but I can't really say there is a design there at all.
            > >
            > > Can't comments on the pages you requested because all the links are
            > > bringing up a 500 Internal Server Error. I am even unable to
            > access
            > > your style sheet.
            > >
            > > sisterscaoe
            > >
            > > --- gane423 <gane423@...> wrote:
            > >
            > >> at http://gpayne2.home.mindspring.com/index.html
            > >>
            > >> and see if anything serious is wrong with the Source coding,
            > >> Particularly for the "Family Pictures" and "Radio" pages and how
            > what
            > >>
            > >> problems are found could be fixed?
            > >>
            > >> Using NoteTab Light 4.95 (Freeware version).
            > >>
            > >
            > >
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          • sisterscape
            Yes, Zen Garden is the BEST example of all. I should have thought of it myself . . . I really am out of the designing loop these days . . . LOL!! ...
            Message 5 of 16 , Sep 9 5:59 PM
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              Yes, Zen Garden is the BEST example of all. I should have thought of it
              myself . . . I really am out of the designing loop these days . . .
              LOL!!

              --- Margaret Peloquin <peloquin@...> wrote:

              > Most commercial and university sites now use CSS so examples are all
              > over the
              > place. One of my favorite places to see the power of CSS is
              > http://www.csszengarden.com/
              > There you can see the same page information rendered to look
              > different with a
              > variety of style sheets (CSS).
              >
              > If you want to learn more about CSS, here are some places to start:
              > http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp
              >
              http://www.westciv.com/style_master/academy/hands_on_tutorial/index.html
              >


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            • sisterscape
              OK, I started thinking about this question a little more . . . Here s one more very useful URL - http://www.pmob.co.uk/ The site itself is not the point. But
              Message 6 of 16 , Sep 9 8:58 PM
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                OK, I started thinking about this question a little more . . .

                Here's one more very useful URL - http://www.pmob.co.uk/ The site
                itself is not the point. But the list of the CSS tips and tricks
                (including layouts) is about the best available. It is pure genius!

                sisterscape

                --- Patricia Tidmarsh <patricia@...> wrote:

                >
                > Could you supply a couple of URLs for up-to-date designs with CSS.
                > Thanks
                >
                >


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              • Lee Underwood
                I couldn t get the URL to load ... problem on my end? Lee On 9/9/2006 11:58 PM, sisterscape wrote: ... ........................................................
                Message 7 of 16 , Sep 9 9:30 PM
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                  I couldn't get the URL to load ... problem on my end?

                  Lee


                  On 9/9/2006 11:58 PM, sisterscape wrote:
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                  >OK, I started thinking about this question a little more . . .
                  >
                  >Here's one more very useful URL - http://www.pmob.co.uk/ The site
                  >itself is not the point. But the list of the CSS tips and tricks
                  >(including layouts) is about the best available. It is pure genius!
                  >
                  >sisterscape
                  >
                  >--- Patricia Tidmarsh <patricia@...> wrote:
                  >
                  ........................................................
                • sisterscape
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                  Message 8 of 16 , Sep 9 10:52 PM
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                    Pops right up here. :)

                    --- Lee Underwood <leeu@...> wrote:

                    > I couldn't get the URL to load ... problem on my end?
                    >
                    > Lee
                    >
                    >
                    > On 9/9/2006 11:58 PM, sisterscape wrote:
                    > ........................................................
                    >
                    > >OK, I started thinking about this question a little more . . .
                    > >
                    > >Here's one more very useful URL - http://www.pmob.co.uk/ The site
                    > >itself is not the point. But the list of the CSS tips and tricks
                    > >(including layouts) is about the best available. It is pure genius!
                    > >
                    > >sisterscape
                    > >


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                  • Lee Underwood
                    Ah, it s working now. Thanks! Lee On 9/10/2006 01:52 AM, sisterscape wrote: ... ........................................................
                    Message 9 of 16 , Sep 10 8:10 AM
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                      Ah, it's working now. Thanks!

                      Lee


                      On 9/10/2006 01:52 AM, sisterscape wrote:
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                      >Pops right up here. :)
                      >
                      >--- Lee Underwood <leeu@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > > I couldn't get the URL to load ... problem on my end?
                      > >
                      > > Lee
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > On 9/9/2006 11:58 PM, sisterscape wrote:
                      > > ........................................................
                      > >
                      > > >OK, I started thinking about this question a little more . . .
                      > > >
                      > > >Here's one more very useful URL - http://www.pmob.co.uk/ The site
                      > > >itself is not the point. But the list of the CSS tips and tricks
                      > > >(including layouts) is about the best available. It is pure genius!
                      > > >
                      > > >sisterscape
                      > > >
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                    • gane423
                      That is odd about not being able to access it -- don t know what to suggest. This is first time I ve tried to put up a site, so naturally I guess, has a lot of
                      Message 10 of 16 , Sep 11 1:11 PM
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                        That is odd about not being able to access it -- don't know what to
                        suggest. This is first time I've tried to put up a site, so naturally I
                        guess, has a lot of errors.

                        Finally got into the W3 validator site, and found a few pages of things
                        wrong -- including a couple where major error seemed to be I'd typed in
                          instead of   :)

                        Question: I thought I was using css on my site, what with the line in
                        the index page source code which includes

                        mindspring.com/style.css" type="text/css" rel="stylesheet"/>

                        so to convert to css I'd have to take the site down & completely redo
                        it, or what?
                      • sisterscape
                        I am now able to access the links on your site but still not the style sheet at - http://gpayne2.Home.mindspring.com/style.css . . . getting a page not found.
                        Message 11 of 16 , Sep 11 1:48 PM
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                          I am now able to access the links on your site but still not the style
                          sheet at - http://gpayne2.Home.mindspring.com/style.css . . . getting a
                          page not found. So I can't check what you have going on in your CSS.

                          You wouldn't have to take the site down to improve the code. Just
                          revise one page at a time and overwrtite what you currently have up.

                          All of these tags (and all similar ones) are deprecated. The attributes
                          should instead be set in the CSS.

                          <body bgcolor="#00aaFF" text="#ffffff" link="#000fff" vlink="#008800"
                          alink="ffcc00">
                          <div align="center">
                          <font face="Arial, Times New Roman, Helvetica, Courier New, Sans Serif"
                          color="#ffff00" size="+1">

                          Likewise huge chunks of   can be eliminated by setting margins on
                          various elements in the CSS. All these changes will make the code much
                          cleaner and up-to-date.

                          sisterscape

                          PS You can put an   into a document by clicking on the "non
                          breaking space" under "other elements" in the HTML clipbook library.
                          No need to do a lot of typing. ;)


                          --- gane423 <gane423@...> wrote:

                          > That is odd about not being able to access it -- don't know what to
                          > suggest. This is first time I've tried to put up a site, so naturally
                          > I
                          > guess, has a lot of errors.
                          >
                          > Finally got into the W3 validator site, and found a few pages of
                          > things
                          > wrong -- including a couple where major error seemed to be I'd typed
                          > in
                          >   instead of   :)
                          >
                          > Question: I thought I was using css on my site, what with the line in
                          >
                          > the index page source code which includes
                          >
                          > mindspring.com/style.css" type="text/css" rel="stylesheet"/>
                          >
                          > so to convert to css I'd have to take the site down & completely
                          > redo
                          > it, or what?
                          >


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                        • Jody
                          Hi gane423, Could you all bring this discussion over to the HTML list please? You can signup for it at the bottom on any [NTB] message. ... I ve got
                          Message 12 of 16 , Sep 11 2:30 PM
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                            Hi gane423,

                            Could you all bring this discussion over to the HTML list please? You can
                            signup for it at the bottom on any [NTB] message.

                            >at http://gpayne2.home.mindspring.com/index.html
                            >
                            >and see if anything serious is wrong with the Source coding,
                            >Particularly for the "Family Pictures" and "Radio" pages and how what
                            >problems are found could be fixed?


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