help with runes?
- My husband has made me a lovely wooden bowl and would like to carve
runes in the Younger Futhark around the edge.
I thought these lines from the Havamal would be nice, but I need help
turning it into runes. I never know where the capital R form goes
instead of the other "r" form. Do I use R at the ends of the following
menn bazt lifa
sjaldan sút ala
Also which rune do I use for the œ? Do I only use one "n" for menn?
Am guessing I need to use "i" for the j in sjaldan?
Then I want to add:
þisar runar rist Frid - - guessing that would be the closest to his
name. Again I have the same problem of not knowing which "r" to use.
Worse yet, do I double the "r" at the beginning and end of runar or
should there be only one "r" at the end of þisar and begining of runar
and at the end of runar and beginning of rist - - þ i s a R u n a R i s t???
Thanks in advance!
Fred & Grace Hatton
The 'R' is used, as far as I know, at the end of the words.
Yes, it should be 'sialdan' for 'sjaldan'.
Yes, 'nn' is given as 'n'. 'Þisar:runar' or 'þisarunar', I believe both
can be seen, best use the latter one...
For 'æ' write following rune: 'I' as staff and a stroke through the
middle from downside left rising up to the right. Should be nearly the
half the length of the staff.
Please realize, that the language in the time of the younger Futhark
differed from what now is known as Old Icelandic. If you go into reading
runic inscriptions you´ll see, that the language was far less
standardized than what you can see in modern editions (this is true for
the manuscripts too).
Hence you´ll normally encounter some problems transferring normalized
Old Norse into runic inscriptions. But don´t worry there are lot´s of
failures in the inscriptions too. So your inscription might be as bad as
the original ones :-D ...
"Why? Why am I punished? I`ve led an innocent life ..."
"Thou art a child of nature.
Thou shalt know that it art a crime to murder thy mother.
Yet, I hear her skriek in horror ... "
- Hi Grace,
Later inscriptions use <r> in all circumstances, after the older <R>
came to be pronounced the same. There are a some examples here:
But if you want to match the earlier practice:
þisaR runaR raist
(with optional divisions between words)
At the beginning of a word, it's always <r>. At the end of a word,
it's <r> in a few words: móðir, faðir, bróðir, systir; also in
certain prepositions: OIc. 'eptir' appears on the 5th c. Tune stone
as 'after', but later inscriptions have 'eftiR' & 'æftiR'). Where
r/R is part of the root it could be either -- that´s the time to
look up Gothic cognates... Otherwise, in inflexional endings,
usually <R> (e.g. in the nominative singular ending, in nominative &
accusative plurals, genitive singualars, verbal inflexions;
þrimR "three" preserves the old dative plural once general in
adjectives; pronouns þiR, miR) -- except that at some point, it
began to be pronounced and spelt <r> after a dental consonant, e.g.
I'm not sure how the <> would be. I wonder if there are any
examples from Elder Futhark insriptions of a later time. The Proto
Norse inscriptions in the Elder Futhark had no need of this sound.
A later Younger F. inscription fromn Sweden (Husby-Lyhundra) has
<y>: bryþr = brðr.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Fred and Grace Hatton
> My husband has made me a lovely wooden bowl and would like tocarve
> runes in the Younger Futhark around the edge.help
> I thought these lines from the Havamal would be nice, but I need
> turning it into runes. I never know where the capital R form goesfollowing
> instead of the other "r" form. Do I use R at the ends of the
> two words?his
> Mildir frknir
> menn bazt lifa
> sjaldan sút ala
> Also which rune do I use for the ? Do I only use one "n" for menn?
> Am guessing I need to use "i" for the j in sjaldan?
> Then I want to add:
> þisar runar rist Frid - - guessing that would be the closest to
> name. Again I have the same problem of not knowing which "r" touse.
> Worse yet, do I double the "r" at the beginning and end of runaror
> should there be only one "r" at the end of þisar and begining ofrunar
> and at the end of runar and beginning of rist - - þ i s a R u n aR i s t???
> Thanks in advance!
> Fred & Grace Hatton
> Hawley, Pa.
Oooops, Llama nom was right, it should be 'r' in the middle ages - also what is the r-Rune anyway. The rune for 'R' denotes an 'y'.
Hello! The 'R' is used, as far as I know, at the end of the words.
I also forgot to tell you that I meant the futhark of the middle ages. If you want to project it into older times, than, of course, you need to use another futhark. :-D Anyway, you would probably have to change the language too. The language of the middle ages is as closest to old norse as it can be, since old islandic is jo the language of the middle ages, just standardized.
Sorry if I confused somebody. I assumed that you meant the medieval runes ...
-- "Why? Why am I punished? I`ve led an innocent life ..." "Thou art a child of nature. Thou shalt know that it art a crime to murder thy mother. Yet, I hear her skriek in horror ... "