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Re: [norse_course] Laxdaela Saga 565 end -- Rob's Translation

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  • Brian M. Scott
    ... If you re going to use became and go for a fairly literal translation, I think that it has to be became joyful from his arrival or the like: became
    Message 1 of 2 , Nov 30, 2012
      > Guðrún varð fegin komu hans.
      > Gudrun rejoiced at his coming.
      > Gudrun was joyful at his arrival.
      > Guðrún became glad of his coming.

      If you're going to use 'became' and go for a fairly literal
      translation, I think that it has to be 'became joyful from
      his arrival' or the like: 'became glad of his coming' means
      (to me, at least), that she had not been glad of it and then
      became so, when the intended sense is actually that his
      arrival caused her to rejoice. However, this is one of
      those times when I think that 'was' (as in 'was joyful')
      better captures the sense than 'became'. (Or one can follow
      Z. and simply say 'rejoiced'.)

      > "Þykir mér þú Snorri það liðsinni mér mest veita," segir
      > Guðrún, "að þú skiptir bústöðum við mig svo að eg sitji
      > eigi samtýnis við þá Hjarðhyltinga."

      > "It seems to me, you, Snorri, give me the most
      > assistance," says Gudrun, "that you change (your)
      > residence with me so that I would not sit in the
      > neighborhood with the Hjardhylings."

      > “It seems to me, Snorri, that you grant me most help” says
      > Gudrun, “that you divide the farmstead with me so that I
      > do not sit in the same neighborhood as those
      > Hjardarholters.”

      > “You, Snorri, would-seem (2nd pers sg subjunctive) to me
      > mostly (ie best able) to give that assistance to me,” says
      > Guðrún, “that you would-change (skipta, Z3, subjunctive)
      > dwelling-places with me so that I would-not-sit
      > (subjunctive) in-the-same-neighbourhood as those
      > Hjarðarholters.”

      Modern <þykir> can be 2nd person singular indicative or
      present subjunctive or 3rd sing. pres. indic. However, all
      three of my editions that use one or another of the standard
      ON normalizations have <þykki>, which in the singular can
      only be 1st pres. ind. or 3rd pres. subj.; the sources are
      simply incompatible.

      I interpret <þykir> as 2nd sing. pres. indic., not subj.
      (I'm not prepared to say that it *can't* be a subjunctive,
      however.) <Liðsinni> is a neuter accusative, the object of
      <veita>, and I take <mest> to be the neut. acc. of the
      adjective <mestr>, modifying <liðsinni>: '[the] greatest
      help': 'You, Snorri, seem to me to give me [the] greatest
      help that you exchange [= by exchanging] dwelling-places
      with me so that I stay not in the same neighborhood as the

      The <þykki> of my other editions must be an impersonal
      construction: 'It seems to me that you, Snorri, ...', 'I
      think that you, Snorri, ...'. (The MM&HP translation seems
      to take this view.) This makes <veita> a bit of a puzzle,
      since it's not a 2nd person form to match <þú>. My best
      guess is that <kann> (or possibly the subj. <kunnir>) has
      been omitted from a <kunna> + inf. 'be able to ...'
      construction, making it 'I think that you, Snorri, can give
      me [the] greatest help ...'.

      > Hann var snemma mikill og vænn.
      > He was soon large and fair to behold.
      > He was (grown) big early and handsome.
      > He was soon tall and promising.

      I'm with Grace and Rob: 'handsome'.

      > Og er vetur sá líður af og vor kom þá fer fram kaup það
      > sem rætt hafði verið að þau mundu kaupa um lönd, Snorri og
      > Guðrún.

      > And when winter passed away and spring came, then the
      > purchase takes place as had been discussed that they,
      > Snorri and Gudrun, would exchange land.

      > And when that winter passes away and spring came then that
      > bargain went forward as had been discussed that they would
      > bargain about land, Snorri and Gudrun.

      > And when this winter was passed away and spring came, then
      > goes-forward (ie proceeds) that agreement (deal) which had
      > been discussed, that they, Snorri and Guðrún, would
      > exchange (kaupa, Z3) lands (estates).

      I'm with Grace for the first clause: 'And when that/the
      winter passes away'.

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