3425RE: [norse_course] sequentia
- Aug 3, 2003-----Original Message-----
Sent: 8/3/2003 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [norse_course] sequentia
This exchange is only marginally on-topic but I hope
no-one minds our discussing Sequentia a bit more.
Come now - if you're going to be a moderator then you had better
deliberate a bit more carefully on your verdicts. I like the fact
that you and smiley keep the sex chat out of the discussion - unlike
other, public groups. Still, your judgements can be annoying to the
Aquarius in me.
Dan is making a very good point about PRONOUNCEMENTS on Old Norse
PRONUNCIATION. There's a number of you guys, out there, who either now
talk, or have talked about ON pronunciation like its some static thing. Now
don't even start up with how you'all make it clear that language is fluid
and ever-changing. I recognize that you do state this as a fact, still, your
left hand does not communicate well with your right and pronouncements tend
to border on the ludicrously fixed. I can meet people on the bus today that
have such a drastically different accent from me that I can scarcely
understand about half of what they be talking about - and they were born and
raised but 500 miles from my present location within the sphere of
homogenous and all pervasive media coverage dominated by a West Coast accent
(like which I have). It looks as if some
people are so desperate to recreate the past that they are willing to
sacrifice the obvious in it's attainment.
Still, with that said, efforts to recreate the past are not in vain and
we must applaud efforts to conserve some of what has been needlessly
lost. My request is that you not get all picky and petty about what you've
found and try to blanket the world with it. It turns truly useful
information into something more like propaganda.
This is where Sequentia comes in. They did claim the music to be based
upon an extrapolation of the musical traditions of Medieval Iceland and
did claim that significant efforts were made to recreate both the music
and speech of the time and place. With this in mind, it is obvious that
the inhabitants of Modern Iceland are in a better position to evaluate
Sequentia's claims than the rest of us. Therefore, I can't say that any
of us should fault Haukur and Oskar for their naturally biased evaluations.
It's the bias that we're counting on to give us information not available
from any other source.
We need to be aware of the biases of others as well as our own - otherwise,
we're bound to get a rather distorted view of the world past and present.
> I doubt this CD was recorded with theI'm sure it is nowhere explicitly stated but that's
> intent of making it into an academic exercise on reconstructing a sung
> version of the "Edda" as it was performed in mediaeval Iceland.
the impression many people seem to be getting.
> It is a modern artistic expressionCertainly. But why would they do all this research
> of an old text, not more no less.
if their goal wasn't, at least partially, to reconstruct
> To criticize it under this aspect does not do the craftsmanship andThe aspect we were asked (by more than one person)
> effort justice that was put into it.
to criticize was the accuracy of the pronunciation.
As I said two years ago:
"Obviously the members of Sequentia are musicians
(not linguists) and they will have to be judged for the quality
of their music. I don't know much of anything about music so
you shouldn't take my comments about it very seriously."
As for accuracy of pronunciation we found it mostly absent.
> And how would you know how the Edda was performed in the first place?Faeroes,
> Were you there? Even darwing conclusions from modern Icelandic,
> and Norwegian traditional folk music doesn't really help, becauseEven so, later Icelandic and Faroese folk songs would surely
> performace and musical styles develop and change over time at least as
> much as language does.
be a better approximation than, say, traditional Japanese music
or modern opera. And this criticism was founded on their own
claims. They said they'd listened to a whole lot of traditional
Nordic music - yet I hardly heard a trace of that in their
performance. Neither did Óskar.
But it so happens that now we do have someone on this list
who is much better qualified to judge Sequentia's music.
Konrad, what do you think?
By all means, don't let me ruin your enjoyment of the music.
I keep giving the impression that I hated this CD but that's
not the case at all. I enjoyed some of the melodies. I'd even
like to own it but I'd rather prefer not to pay for it ;-)
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