RE: [newsml] Adoption of VCARD in NewsML
- Hmm, Misha,
imho, the lack of an _active_ owner for vCard and _any kind_ of owner for
vCard-XML presents something of a problem.
vCard and vCard-XML obviously need to be able to express the same thing and
if they are not maintained by the same group then this will be hard, if not
impossible. As I mentioned before, I think that if there are to be two
concrete representations (formats) for expressing vCard, the first step will
be to create an underlying object model, of which they are both
representations. One could then proceed to definition of an XML schema for
vCard, confident in the knowledge that there is a "bijective mapping" (to
use an expression that Laurent has used in the past) between the two
I do not think that this is work that the IPTC should undertake. Rather,
perhaps, as Laurent and you both seem to suggest it is something that OASIS
should take on, especially in view of vCard's widespread usage and apparent
lack of active ownership. I believe that IPTC is a member of OASIS - so
perhaps it, Reuters and other interested members should prepare a joint
In the meantime Reuters and potentially other members need to do something
about incorporating it into NewsML. So in summary my suggestion for the
route forward [modified in the light of your observations about the
maintenance status of vCard]:
1. IPTC and member organizations should make a submission to OASIS, raising
the problem that this 'standard', which is in widespread use does not appear
to be under active maintenance and does not have a formal object model,
hence there is no sensible route for determining an XML representation of
the information it represents.
2. The IPTC should wait till vCards are available in XML before adopting
them as 'the' IPTC preferred representation for personal information, and
should not seek to define its own proprietary XML based representation. Any
other course of action will leave IPTC in an evolutionary cul-de-sac, and
commits it to defining standards which potentially duplicate other efforts
and which take it outside its member organisations' fields of expertise.
3. Prior to this, individual members are at liberty to represent personal
information in any way the see fit, within the rules of NewsML. IPTC should
extend NewsML so that members, if they see fit, can use external metadata
standards that are not based upon XML, especially vCard as it is defined
today, or their own proprietary XML representation of it.
4. The IPTC should decide what its policy is _in general_ with regard to use
of external metadata representations and how it approves such
representations i.e. what the decision criteria should be.
From: Misha Wolf [mailto:misha.wolf@...]
Sent: 31 May 2003 18:46
Subject: RE: [newsml] Adoption of VCARD in NewsML (was: If you don't want
to re-invent the wheel, then you may have to use square wheels)
> Misha- they
> I thought that IMC (http://www.imc.org) was the relevant organization
> seem to think they are (http://www.imc.org/pdi/ - "Beginning inDecember,
> 1996, the Internet Mail Consortium took on responsibility for theand
> development and promotion of these two important technologies [vcard
> vcalendar]") - but if you are saying they are not then I would notdare
> challenge you!Hmmm. The IMC hosts the vcard mailing list, but doesn't seem to be at
> In any case, it seems to me that you can take my A. below more as alist of
> requirements than statement of fact. In general, if there is no'responsible
> body' for a standard that is a whole different ball-game.upon
> My comment on there being work in progress on an XML version was based
> conversation with you. I must have misunderstood what you said. Howabout
> approaching IMC (pdi-info@...) formally, as IPTC, and asking them?Maybe
> Reuters would do this in its own right?I did ask Paul Hoffman (the IMC director) and got the same response
that Ron Daniel got .
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