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  • thuso71
    Answering inbetween: Hi Trond, if a first step you must define to which context a ranking of news items applies: - The @rank attributes of
    Message 1 of 5 , Apr 26 3:59 AM
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      Answering inbetween:

      Hi Trond,

       

      if a first step you must define to which context a ranking of news items applies:

      -          The @rank attributes of <headlines> assert the ranking of this <headline> among all <headline>s.

      -          From what you say in your first sentence you hand over a bunch of news items to the web-widget and the widget should render the items in a sequence following the ranking.

      Correct, and all articles will be in one big/small NewsML file.

      -          The open issue is therefore: how to set the context for the rankings – how can you assert “this item has the rank 3 among all  items”, by which means is the bunch of “all items” defined?

      We will in our production system set that this article has rank 1 and so on, or if we are to create a bunch of articles in one document, we will rank first 1, last X.

      -          In NewsML-G2 the Package Item is the perfect tool to do this: a group can be made of links to news items using the <itemRef> and this <itemRef> has a @rank attribute. That’s it.

       Yes, that was what I thought also, but when testing in Oxygen, I could not find a valid point of input for the itemRef, oxygen warned me each time I tried.

       

      Trond

       

      Michael

       

      Michael Steidl

      Managing Director of the IPTC [mdirector@...]

      International Press Telecommunications Council
      Web:
      www.iptc.org - on Twitter @IPTC

      Business office address:

      25 Southampton Buildings, London WC2A 1AL, United Kingdom

      Registered in England, company no 101096

       

       

       

       

      From: newsml-g2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newsml-g2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of trond.huso@...
      Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:29 AM
      To: newsml-g2@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [newsml-g2] ranking

       





      Hi list,

       

      We are to create a feed to a client that we use the feed to insert it into a web-widget. In the feed we must rank the article so one ranked first will be the first article in the widget.

      I see that we have rank attributes in both NewsMLG2 and in NewsML1.2, but when I read about the rank attribute in the latter, I see that it is related to equivalents list.

      Does that mean rank is not intended to be used to rank the articles in the NewsML1.2 file?

       

      In NMLG2 I see that the rank attribute is used in a few elements. I am currently looking at Example 26 (LISTING26NewsML-G2_NewsMessage.xml) which contains the itemRef element that also allows using the rank attribute. But the example is not valid and when trying to create an example-file using the schema, Oxygen yields wherever I try and insert the itemRef element.

       

      Any suggestions/examples in either NewsML1.x or NewsMLG2 are welcome.

       

      Best regards,

       

      Trond Husø

      System Developer

      Mobile : +47 450 35 715

      E-mail : trond.huso@...

      www.ntb.no

       

      ntb_signatur_engelsk

       





    • thuso71
      Hi Michael, I shall first give the software a serious talk :) then I shall consider contacting oxygen about this. -t- From: newsml-g2@yahoogroups.com
      Message 2 of 5 , Apr 26 5:38 AM
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        Hi Michael,

         

        I shall first give the software a serious talk J then I shall consider contacting oxygen about this.

         

        -t-

         

        From: newsml-g2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newsml-g2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Steidl (IPTC)
        Sent: 26. april 2013 14:43
        To: newsml-g2@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: RE: [newsml-g2] ranking

         

         

        Hi Trond,

        I think you should talk seriously to Oxygen why it can’t collaborate with NewsML-G2 XML Schemas.

         

        This is what I’ve created with XMLspy on the fly:

         

        <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

        <packageItem standard="NewsML-G2" standardversion="2.12" guid="urn:newsml:iptc.org:20080101:examples-PIwithRanks1" xmlns="http://iptc.org/std/nar/2006-10-01/" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:schemaLocation="http://iptc.org/std/nar/2006-10-01/ http://www.iptc.org/std/NewsML-G2/2.12/specification/NewsML-G2_2.12-spec-All-Power.xsd">

                    <catalogRef href="http://www.iptc.org/std/catalog/catalog.IPTC-G2-Standards_21.xml"/>

                    <catalog>

                                <scheme alias="grroles" uri="http://examples.org/cv/grouproles/"/>

                    </catalog>

                    <itemMeta>

                                <itemClass qcode="ninat:composite"/>

                                <provider><name>IPTC</name></provider>

                                <versionCreated>2013-04-26T14:35:00+02:00</versionCreated>

                    </itemMeta>

                    <groupSet root="gr1">

                                <group id="gr1" role="grroles:main">

                                <itemRef residref="urn:newsml:iptc.org:20080101:examples-NItest141234" rank="3" />

                                <itemRef residref="urn:newsml:iptc.org:20080101:examples-NItest262564" rank="2" />

                                <itemRef residref="urn:newsml:iptc.org:20080101:examples-NItest087349" rank="1" />

                                <itemRef residref="urn:newsml:iptc.org:20080101:examples-NItest258452" rank="5" />

                                <itemRef residref="urn:newsml:iptc.org:20080101:examples-NItest825578" rank="4" />

                                </group>

                    </groupSet>

        </packageItem>

         

        Michael

         

        From: newsml-g2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newsml-g2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of trond.huso@...
        Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 1:00 PM
        To: newsml-g2@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: RE: [newsml-g2] ranking

         





        Answering inbetween:

        Hi Trond,

         

        if a first step you must define to which context a ranking of news items applies:

        -          The @rank attributes of <headlines> assert the ranking of this <headline> among all <headline>s.

        -          From what you say in your first sentence you hand over a bunch of news items to the web-widget and the widget should render the items in a sequence following the ranking.

        Correct, and all articles will be in one big/small NewsML file.

        -          The open issue is therefore: how to set the context for the rankings – how can you assert “this item has the rank 3 among all  items”, by which means is the bunch of “all items” defined?

        We will in our production system set that this article has rank 1 and so on, or if we are to create a bunch of articles in one document, we will rank first 1, last X.

        -          In NewsML-G2 the Package Item is the perfect tool to do this: a group can be made of links to news items using the <itemRef> and this <itemRef> has a @rank attribute. That’s it.

         Yes, that was what I thought also, but when testing in Oxygen, I could not find a valid point of input for the itemRef, oxygen warned me each time I tried.

         

        Trond

         

        Michael

         

        Michael Steidl

        Managing Director of the IPTC [mdirector@...]

        International Press Telecommunications Council
        Web:
        www.iptc.org - on Twitter @IPTC

        Business office address:

        25 Southampton Buildings, London WC2A 1AL, United Kingdom

        Registered in England, company no 101096

         

         

         

         

        From: newsml-g2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newsml-g2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of trond.huso@...
        Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:29 AM
        To: newsml-g2@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [newsml-g2] ranking

         





        Hi list,

         

        We are to create a feed to a client that we use the feed to insert it into a web-widget. In the feed we must rank the article so one ranked first will be the first article in the widget.

        I see that we have rank attributes in both NewsMLG2 and in NewsML1.2, but when I read about the rank attribute in the latter, I see that it is related to equivalents list.

        Does that mean rank is not intended to be used to rank the articles in the NewsML1.2 file?

         

        In NMLG2 I see that the rank attribute is used in a few elements. I am currently looking at Example 26 (LISTING26NewsML-G2_NewsMessage.xml) which contains the itemRef element that also allows using the rank attribute. But the example is not valid and when trying to create an example-file using the schema, Oxygen yields wherever I try and insert the itemRef element.

         

        Any suggestions/examples in either NewsML1.x or NewsMLG2 are welcome.

         

        Best regards,

         

        Trond Husø

        System Developer

        Mobile : +47 450 35 715

        E-mail : trond.huso@...

        www.ntb.no

         

        ntb_signatur_engelsk

         





         





      • Michael Steidl (IPTC)
        Hi Trond, I think you should talk seriously to Oxygen why it can’t collaborate with NewsML-G2 XML Schemas. This is what I’ve created with XMLspy on the
        Message 3 of 5 , Apr 26 5:43 AM
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          Hi Trond,

          I think you should talk seriously to Oxygen why it can’t collaborate with NewsML-G2 XML Schemas.

           

          This is what I’ve created with XMLspy on the fly:

           

          <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

          <packageItem standard="NewsML-G2" standardversion="2.12" guid="urn:newsml:iptc.org:20080101:examples-PIwithRanks1" xmlns="http://iptc.org/std/nar/2006-10-01/" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:schemaLocation="http://iptc.org/std/nar/2006-10-01/ http://www.iptc.org/std/NewsML-G2/2.12/specification/NewsML-G2_2.12-spec-All-Power.xsd">

                      <catalogRef href="http://www.iptc.org/std/catalog/catalog.IPTC-G2-Standards_21.xml"/>

                      <catalog>

                                  <scheme alias="grroles" uri="http://examples.org/cv/grouproles/"/>

                      </catalog>

                      <itemMeta>

                                  <itemClass qcode="ninat:composite"/>

                                  <provider><name>IPTC</name></provider>

                                  <versionCreated>2013-04-26T14:35:00+02:00</versionCreated>

                      </itemMeta>

                      <groupSet root="gr1">

                                  <group id="gr1" role="grroles:main">

                                  <itemRef residref="urn:newsml:iptc.org:20080101:examples-NItest141234" rank="3" />

                                  <itemRef residref="urn:newsml:iptc.org:20080101:examples-NItest262564" rank="2" />

                                  <itemRef residref="urn:newsml:iptc.org:20080101:examples-NItest087349" rank="1" />

                                  <itemRef residref="urn:newsml:iptc.org:20080101:examples-NItest258452" rank="5" />

                                  <itemRef residref="urn:newsml:iptc.org:20080101:examples-NItest825578" rank="4" />

                                  </group>

                      </groupSet>

          </packageItem>

           

          Michael

           

          From: newsml-g2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newsml-g2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of trond.huso@...
          Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 1:00 PM
          To: newsml-g2@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: RE: [newsml-g2] ranking

           




          Answering inbetween:

          Hi Trond,

           

          if a first step you must define to which context a ranking of news items applies:

          -          The @rank attributes of <headlines> assert the ranking of this <headline> among all <headline>s.

          -          From what you say in your first sentence you hand over a bunch of news items to the web-widget and the widget should render the items in a sequence following the ranking.

          Correct, and all articles will be in one big/small NewsML file.

          -          The open issue is therefore: how to set the context for the rankings – how can you assert “this item has the rank 3 among all  items”, by which means is the bunch of “all items” defined?

          We will in our production system set that this article has rank 1 and so on, or if we are to create a bunch of articles in one document, we will rank first 1, last X.

          -          In NewsML-G2 the Package Item is the perfect tool to do this: a group can be made of links to news items using the <itemRef> and this <itemRef> has a @rank attribute. That’s it.

           Yes, that was what I thought also, but when testing in Oxygen, I could not find a valid point of input for the itemRef, oxygen warned me each time I tried.

           

          Trond

           

          Michael

           

          Michael Steidl

          Managing Director of the IPTC [mdirector@...]

          International Press Telecommunications Council
          Web:
          www.iptc.org - on Twitter @IPTC

          Business office address:

          25 Southampton Buildings, London WC2A 1AL, United Kingdom

          Registered in England, company no 101096

           

           

           

           

          From: newsml-g2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newsml-g2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of trond.huso@...
          Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:29 AM
          To: newsml-g2@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [newsml-g2] ranking

           




          Hi list,

           

          We are to create a feed to a client that we use the feed to insert it into a web-widget. In the feed we must rank the article so one ranked first will be the first article in the widget.

          I see that we have rank attributes in both NewsMLG2 and in NewsML1.2, but when I read about the rank attribute in the latter, I see that it is related to equivalents list.

          Does that mean rank is not intended to be used to rank the articles in the NewsML1.2 file?

           

          In NMLG2 I see that the rank attribute is used in a few elements. I am currently looking at Example 26 (LISTING26NewsML-G2_NewsMessage.xml) which contains the itemRef element that also allows using the rank attribute. But the example is not valid and when trying to create an example-file using the schema, Oxygen yields wherever I try and insert the itemRef element.

           

          Any suggestions/examples in either NewsML1.x or NewsMLG2 are welcome.

           

          Best regards,

           

          Trond Husø

          System Developer

          Mobile : +47 450 35 715

          E-mail : trond.huso@...

          www.ntb.no

           

          ntb_signatur_engelsk

           




           




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