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RE: [Newport Sailboats] winch for reefing

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  • Jeffrey Beardsley
    Torsten, Good call on the seller in China. Ray Tostado has a good idea for Ebay; FOB Cash…..at the front door. Sounds good to me. As to attaching the blocks
    Message 1 of 16 , Jan 1, 2012
      Torsten,



      Good call on the seller in China. Ray Tostado has a good idea for Ebay; FOB Cash…..at the front door. Sounds good to me.



      As to attaching the blocks to the base of the mast. If your 30 doesn’t have a stainless base plate with eight, or so, holes in it for just such purposes, then a previous owner didn’t put it back on when he had the mast down. It’s a standard item.

      Where to get one? I’ve seen them on someone’s website, but it isn’t coming to me at the moment. Rigrite? Perhaps. Ah, got it! Sealsspars. Try http://www.sealsspars.com/maststepcatalog.html.



      I didn’t peruse the entire page for you but you should be able to size one for your 30 from there. They do specify their “extra large” base plate for the Newport 30.



      See there, simple, all you need is a half jar of peanut butter and a well found credit card!



      Happy New Year!!







      Best Regards







      Jeffrey Beardsley



      SV Honu

      Newport 33

      Port of Everett, WA





      From: newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Torsten Peterson
      Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 10:47 PM
      To: newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Newport Sailboats] winch for reefing





      Thanks Jeff and all you guys.

      I found a quad at Mauri Pro that is a little cheaper than 2 of the best priced doubles I could find. Also a quad organizer. All Spinlock, at Mauri.
      I'll probably get the winch there too, because the lowest priced site is apparently too good to be true. Seller insisted I send the money to a guy in China, by Western Union or bank wire. When I refused and asked for a PayPal statement, I didn't hear any more from him. Close call.

      I hope to go have a closer look at the deck Monday and get started.

      I'll need to figure out how to attach those blocks at the mast base.

      Happy New Year!
      Torsten
      Grace/Deltaville

      ________________________________
      From: Jeffrey Beardsley <jeffrey.beardsley@... <mailto:jeffrey.beardsley%40comcast.net> >
      To: newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:40 AM
      Subject: RE: [Newport Sailboats] winch for reefing


      Torsten,

      It’s an odds on bet that the existing “Newport” winch is a Lewmar C7 (meaning single speed composite). The 14CST is simply the self tailing version of the same winch. Also, I believe you’ll find that a quad clutch (if anyone makes one) will be more expensive than two doubles.

      Additionally, you will need the obvious blocks at the base of the mast as well as at least one organizer per side of the cabin top.

      I’ve still got the drawings of my 28 (and the photos also) if you’re interested. The only real difference is the shape of the cabin top. The boom is even the same length. Come to think of it the Newport 27, 28, 30, 31, & 33, all use the same boom.

      Best Regards

      Jeffrey Beardsley

      SV Honu

      Newport 33

      Port of Everett, WA

      From: newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Torsten Peterson
      Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:21 PM
      To: newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com>
      Subject: Re: [Newport Sailboats] winch for reefing

      Once again, I thank all of you for your suggestions.
      My main sail is dacron, by Ulman Sails, just 3 seasons old, still crisp.
      I have an extra vang I could use on the cunningham, but I think I'll first see if I can fit in an extra clutch to handle it.
      My plans did not include using the outhaul from the cockpit, but that was an oversight. I will definitely do that. Thanks!
      I'll probably go see the boat soon to decide whether a quad clutch will work or whether 2 doubles would be better. All on port side.
      Starboard is the Newport winch, size unknown, and a double clutch for main halyard and main sheet. I intend to replace the Newport winch with a Lewmar CST 14, like what I a putting on the port side.
      Of course, "I'd rather be sailing" but this helps get us all thru the off season.
      Happy New Year to all
      Torsten
      Grace/Deltaville

      ________________________________
      From: Jeffrey Beardsley <jeffrey.beardsley@... <mailto:jeffrey.beardsley%40comcast.net> <mailto:jeffrey.beardsley%40comcast.net> >
      To: newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 4:18 PM
      Subject: RE: [Newport Sailboats] winch for reefing

      As always Ray,

      Good comments. You have a vast amount of knowledge that some folks will never tap; no matter how hard they try.

      Happy New Year!

      Best Regards

      Jeffrey Beardsley

      Systems Management Specialist

      Business Consulting Services

      International Business Machines (IBM)

      Office: (425)342-0650

      Cel: (425)870-7996

      <mailto:JBB@... <mailto:JBB%40us.ibm.com> <mailto:JBB%40us.ibm.com> > JBB@... <mailto:JBB%40us.ibm.com> <mailto:JBB%40us.ibm.com>

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      From: newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of RAY TOSTADO
      Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:35 AM
      To: newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com>
      Subject: Re: [Newport Sailboats] winch for reefing

      The point of focus for this topic should be sail shape. What you need and how to apply it depends
      solely on an owner's sailing know how, and age and condition of the sail inventory. If you have Dacron
      sails you rig to suit them. If you have high tech composite sails they require less shape control.

      Just discussing the rig without describing the sail condition is sort of weak in results.

      The traditional devices discussed here are used to control the shape and move the COE to the
      weather conditions and point of sail.

      It is preferable that the main halyard not be taken up to the point of maxing out the luff with
      extreme tension. Max it out then ease it about 2". With that trim the Cunningham becomes very
      useful. Should the wind build then it is used to straighten the luff which also moves the COE
      forward. And, inversely.

      Outhaul is a very strong trim mechanism. It is used to flatten the sail, and as well by moving the
      COE forward. It is used in conjunction with the mainsheet down pull, which is realized by analyzing
      the angle of the boom from the deck. It is not only the radius measurement of the boom to the mast,
      but as well the distance to the deck.

      The amount of work effort required depends on the friction of the working parts. This is sail track,
      aft mainsail car and sheaves. If they are all well maintain a simple 2:1 will work fine. If they are poorly
      maintained and sluggish with lots of drag, well, good luck.

      rt

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Jeffrey Beardsley<mailto:jeffrey.beardsley@... <mailto:jeffrey.beardsley%40comcast.net> <mailto:jeffrey.beardsley%40comcast.net> <mailto:jeffrey.beardsley%40comcast.net> >
      To: newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> >
      Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 10:40
      Subject: RE: [Newport Sailboats] winch for reefing

      You have a point Bob,

      But I think it is only valid in light air. Cunningham is a rather heavy air control. I’m not real impressed with the idea of a 3:1 or a 4:1 set of blocks bouncing around on my cabin top or against my mast. I think that an additional clutch as opposed to the other hardware would be well worth the additional bulk. Additionally, on a 27, Lewmar D2 doubles are a rather inexpensive but completely adequate piece of hardware.

      Best Regards

      Jeffrey Beardsley

      SV Honu

      Newport 33

      Port of Everett, WA

      From: newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Robert Sanders
      Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:43 AM
      To: newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com>
      Subject: Re: [Newport Sailboats] winch for reefing

      I agree that controlling the outhaul is worth doing while you're at it. But that doesn't require a 4th rope clutch. I don't think you need to run the cunningham to a winch and so it's an open question whether you need a rope clutch for it. If you rig the cunningham with blocks to get a 3:1 or maybe 4:1 purchase, you can run it back to a cam cleat or cleat or the like on the cabin top and not add to your rope clutches.

      Bob

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Torsten Peterson
      To: newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:21 AM
      Subject: Re: [Newport Sailboats] winch for reefing

      Good point.
      I will wait to buy the rope clutch(es) after I understand how many lines I should try to handle and for what.
      Thanks.
      Torsten
      Grace/Deltaville

      ________________________________
      From: Jeffrey Beardsley <jeffrey.beardsley@... <mailto:jeffrey.beardsley%40comcast.net> <mailto:jeffrey.beardsley%40comcast.net> <mailto:jeffrey.beardsley%40comcast.net> <mailto:jeffrey.beardsley%40comcast.net> <mailto:jeffrey.beardsley%40comcast.net> >
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      Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:53 PM
      Subject: RE: [Newport Sailboats] winch for reefing

      What you are trying works well, but you should also consider adding an
      outhaul to the led back lines. That will make for four clutches. The outhaul
      is arguably more important than the Cunningham.

      My $.02 ymmv

      Best Regards

      Jeffrey Beardsley

      SV Honu

      Newport 33

      Port of Everett, WA

      From: newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com>
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      Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 3:50 PM
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      Subject: [Newport Sailboats] winch for reefing

      Hi Folks,
      One of my off-season projects is to add a winch and triple rope clutch on
      the cabin top of my N27 so I can reef 2 sets of points and work a cunningham
      line when not reefed. I haven't single handed yet, but I want to be able to.
      I will probably use 1/4" line. I'm thinking about a Lewmar 14CST. I'd use
      something smaller, but I haven't found a self tailer any smaller than the
      14.
      Does anybody have any advice to offer on this?
      Thanks.

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    • Torsten Peterson
      Hi Jeffrey, I looked at the web site. That mast plate would be great, but my boat is a 27, not a 30. Although I haven t pulled it off the boat before, it
      Message 2 of 16 , Jan 1, 2012
        Hi Jeffrey,
        I looked at the web site. That mast plate would be great, but my boat is a 27, not a 30.
        Although I haven't pulled it off the boat before, it appears that my mast fits into a hole - don't know how deep. I think I remember the PO telling me its safe to disconnect some standing rigging without the mast falling. I haven't tested that.
        Anyhow, if my mast sits in a hole, I don't see how I can use a mast plate.
        I'm going to try to go to the boat tomorrow and check it out.
        Thanks again.
        Torsten


        ________________________________
        From: Jeffrey Beardsley <jeffrey.beardsley@...>
        To: newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 10:25 AM
        Subject: RE: [Newport Sailboats] winch for reefing


         
        Torsten,

        Good call on the seller in China. Ray Tostado has a good idea for Ebay; FOB Cash…..at the front door. Sounds good to me.

        As to attaching the blocks to the base of the mast. If your 30 doesn’t have a stainless base plate with eight, or so, holes in it for just such purposes, then a previous owner didn’t put it back on when he had the mast down. It’s a standard item.

        Where to get one? I’ve seen them on someone’s website, but it isn’t coming to me at the moment. Rigrite? Perhaps. Ah, got it! Sealsspars. Try http://www.sealsspars.com/maststepcatalog.html.

        I didn’t peruse the entire page for you but you should be able to size one for your 30 from there. They do specify their “extra large” base plate for the Newport 30.

        See there, simple, all you need is a half jar of peanut butter and a well found credit card!

        Happy New Year!!

        Best Regards

        Jeffrey Beardsley

        SV Honu

        Newport 33

        Port of Everett, WA

        From: newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Torsten Peterson
        Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 10:47 PM
        To: newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [Newport Sailboats] winch for reefing

        Thanks Jeff and all you guys.

        I found a quad at Mauri Pro that is a little cheaper than 2 of the best priced doubles I could find. Also a quad organizer. All Spinlock, at Mauri.
        I'll probably get the winch there too, because the lowest priced site is apparently too good to be true. Seller insisted I send the money to a guy in China, by Western Union or bank wire. When I refused and asked for a PayPal statement, I didn't hear any more from him. Close call.

        I hope to go have a closer look at the deck Monday and get started.

        I'll need to figure out how to attach those blocks at the mast base.

        Happy New Year!
        Torsten
        Grace/Deltaville

        ________________________________
        From: Jeffrey Beardsley <jeffrey.beardsley@... <mailto:jeffrey.beardsley%40comcast.net> >
        To: newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:40 AM
        Subject: RE: [Newport Sailboats] winch for reefing

        Torsten,

        It’s an odds on bet that the existing “Newport” winch is a Lewmar C7 (meaning single speed composite). The 14CST is simply the self tailing version of the same winch. Also, I believe you’ll find that a quad clutch (if anyone makes one) will be more expensive than two doubles.

        Additionally, you will need the obvious blocks at the base of the mast as well as at least one organizer per side of the cabin top.

        I’ve still got the drawings of my 28 (and the photos also) if you’re interested. The only real difference is the shape of the cabin top. The boom is even the same length. Come to think of it the Newport 27, 28, 30, 31, & 33, all use the same boom.

        Best Regards

        Jeffrey Beardsley

        SV Honu

        Newport 33

        Port of Everett, WA

        From: newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Torsten Peterson
        Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:21 PM
        To: newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com>
        Subject: Re: [Newport Sailboats] winch for reefing

        Once again, I thank all of you for your suggestions.
        My main sail is dacron, by Ulman Sails, just 3 seasons old, still crisp.
        I have an extra vang I could use on the cunningham, but I think I'll first see if I can fit in an extra clutch to handle it.
        My plans did not include using the outhaul from the cockpit, but that was an oversight. I will definitely do that. Thanks!
        I'll probably go see the boat soon to decide whether a quad clutch will work or whether 2 doubles would be better. All on port side.
        Starboard is the Newport winch, size unknown, and a double clutch for main halyard and main sheet. I intend to replace the Newport winch with a Lewmar CST 14, like what I a putting on the port side.
        Of course, "I'd rather be sailing" but this helps get us all thru the off season.
        Happy New Year to all
        Torsten
        Grace/Deltaville

        ________________________________
        From: Jeffrey Beardsley <jeffrey.beardsley@... <mailto:jeffrey.beardsley%40comcast.net> <mailto:jeffrey.beardsley%40comcast.net> >
        To: newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 4:18 PM
        Subject: RE: [Newport Sailboats] winch for reefing

        As always Ray,

        Good comments. You have a vast amount of knowledge that some folks will never tap; no matter how hard they try.

        Happy New Year!

        Best Regards

        Jeffrey Beardsley

        Systems Management Specialist

        Business Consulting Services

        International Business Machines (IBM)

        Office: (425)342-0650

        Cel: (425)870-7996

        <mailto:JBB@... <mailto:JBB%40us.ibm.com> <mailto:JBB%40us.ibm.com> > JBB@... <mailto:JBB%40us.ibm.com> <mailto:JBB%40us.ibm.com>

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        From: newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of RAY TOSTADO
        Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:35 AM
        To: newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com>
        Subject: Re: [Newport Sailboats] winch for reefing

        The point of focus for this topic should be sail shape. What you need and how to apply it depends
        solely on an owner's sailing know how, and age and condition of the sail inventory. If you have Dacron
        sails you rig to suit them. If you have high tech composite sails they require less shape control.

        Just discussing the rig without describing the sail condition is sort of weak in results.

        The traditional devices discussed here are used to control the shape and move the COE to the
        weather conditions and point of sail.

        It is preferable that the main halyard not be taken up to the point of maxing out the luff with
        extreme tension. Max it out then ease it about 2". With that trim the Cunningham becomes very
        useful. Should the wind build then it is used to straighten the luff which also moves the COE
        forward. And, inversely.

        Outhaul is a very strong trim mechanism. It is used to flatten the sail, and as well by moving the
        COE forward. It is used in conjunction with the mainsheet down pull, which is realized by analyzing
        the angle of the boom from the deck. It is not only the radius measurement of the boom to the mast,
        but as well the distance to the deck.

        The amount of work effort required depends on the friction of the working parts. This is sail track,
        aft mainsail car and sheaves. If they are all well maintain a simple 2:1 will work fine. If they are poorly
        maintained and sluggish with lots of drag, well, good luck.

        rt

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Jeffrey Beardsley<mailto:jeffrey.beardsley@... <mailto:jeffrey.beardsley%40comcast.net> <mailto:jeffrey.beardsley%40comcast.net> <mailto:jeffrey.beardsley%40comcast.net> >
        To: newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> >
        Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 10:40
        Subject: RE: [Newport Sailboats] winch for reefing

        You have a point Bob,

        But I think it is only valid in light air. Cunningham is a rather heavy air control. I’m not real impressed with the idea of a 3:1 or a 4:1 set of blocks bouncing around on my cabin top or against my mast. I think that an additional clutch as opposed to the other hardware would be well worth the additional bulk. Additionally, on a 27, Lewmar D2 doubles are a rather inexpensive but completely adequate piece of hardware.

        Best Regards

        Jeffrey Beardsley

        SV Honu

        Newport 33

        Port of Everett, WA

        From: newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Robert Sanders
        Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:43 AM
        To: newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com>
        Subject: Re: [Newport Sailboats] winch for reefing

        I agree that controlling the outhaul is worth doing while you're at it. But that doesn't require a 4th rope clutch. I don't think you need to run the cunningham to a winch and so it's an open question whether you need a rope clutch for it. If you rig the cunningham with blocks to get a 3:1 or maybe 4:1 purchase, you can run it back to a cam cleat or cleat or the like on the cabin top and not add to your rope clutches.

        Bob

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Torsten Peterson
        To: newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:21 AM
        Subject: Re: [Newport Sailboats] winch for reefing

        Good point.
        I will wait to buy the rope clutch(es) after I understand how many lines I should try to handle and for what.
        Thanks.
        Torsten
        Grace/Deltaville

        ________________________________
        From: Jeffrey Beardsley <jeffrey.beardsley@... <mailto:jeffrey.beardsley%40comcast.net> <mailto:jeffrey.beardsley%40comcast.net> <mailto:jeffrey.beardsley%40comcast.net> <mailto:jeffrey.beardsley%40comcast.net> <mailto:jeffrey.beardsley%40comcast.net> >
        To: newportsailboats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:newportsailboats%40yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:53 PM
        Subject: RE: [Newport Sailboats] winch for reefing

        What you are trying works well, but you should also consider adding an
        outhaul to the led back lines. That will make for four clutches. The outhaul
        is arguably more important than the Cunningham.

        My $.02 ymmv

        Best Regards

        Jeffrey Beardsley

        SV Honu

        Newport 33

        Port of Everett, WA

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        Subject: [Newport Sailboats] winch for reefing

        Hi Folks,
        One of my off-season projects is to add a winch and triple rope clutch on
        the cabin top of my N27 so I can reef 2 sets of points and work a cunningham
        line when not reefed. I haven't single handed yet, but I want to be able to.
        I will probably use 1/4" line. I'm thinking about a Lewmar 14CST. I'd use
        something smaller, but I haven't found a self tailer any smaller than the
        14.
        Does anybody have any advice to offer on this?
        Thanks.

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