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  • zl1fox
    Gid-day all! I am new to the group and been reading with interest your fight for freedom. New Zealand legalised home distillation in the 90 s amid a media
    Message 1 of 4 , Mar 26, 2014
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      Gid-day all!
      I am new to the group and been reading with interest your fight for freedom.
      New Zealand legalised home distillation in the 90's amid a media frenzy drummed up of drunken louts wandering the country's streets to all out debauchery! To date neither has happened and in fact very few actually do distill their own alcohol!
      A lot of nations legislate and generally invoke punitive laws out of fear without bothering to see what other nations are doing or analyzing outcomes and it would appear the US has done this with home distillation?
      I wonder if lobbying to get some sort of rational about overseas experiences would not work?
      Lots here lobbied for the right and like CB radio, once they were legally able to run a still, I suppose that took the fun out of it in that they were doing something naughty so few actually can be bothered despite businesses that specialise in supplying professionally made stills and equipment.
      I wonder if the same would happen with drugs!?? Probably not!
      We run a reflux still on a yacht in Auckland making coconut rum (http://youtu.be/EKShBnKniRU).
      Kind regards,
      Steve Sinclair
    • RLB
      Steve: You are correct in your statement in so many ways.  Here in the US, we can legally make wash, wort, and wine, and we can legally own a still.  If we
      Message 2 of 4 , Mar 29, 2014
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        Steve:

        You are correct in your statement in so many ways.  Here in the US, we can legally make wash, wort, and wine, and we can legally own a still.  If we put the two together, we will be arrested, charged with a felony, fined, or sent to prison.  There are now two US states that have legalized smoking pot, and the US government can't do much to stop them because these states are making a killing on permits to grow and sales taxes.

        Here is a little known fact that will surprise most people in the US.  The US Government almost went bankrupt between 1922 and the repeal of Prohibition because they lost revenue from beer and spirits.  F.D.R. ran for US President on a platform that would repeal Prohibition and he won easily.  The taxes on spirits is that vital to almost every country in the world that they will protect their revenue stream like a momma bear protecting her cubs.  Some of us are working on the Federal level and others are involve on the state level to change current laws.  In the end, I don't see state or our federal government ever allowing hobby distilling without strict regulations, permits, and taxes.  Many of us will be able to make our few gallons without being caught, but we are at risk every time we run a small batch unless you live way out in the back country.

        Robert


        From: "zl1fox@..." <zl1fox@...>
        To: new_distillers@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 12:12 AM
        Subject: [new_distillers] Hello from downunder

         
        Gid-day all!
        I am new to the group and been reading with interest your fight for freedom.
        New Zealand legalised home distillation in the 90's amid a media frenzy drummed up of drunken louts wandering the country's streets to all out debauchery! To date neither has happened and in fact very few actually do distill their own alcohol!
        A lot of nations legislate and generally invoke punitive laws out of fear without bothering to see what other nations are doing or analyzing outcomes and it would appear the US has done this with home distillation?
        I wonder if lobbying to get some sort of rational about overseas experiences would not work?
        Lots here lobbied for the right and like CB radio, once they were legally able to run a still, I suppose that took the fun out of it in that they were doing something naughty so few actually can be bothered despite businesses that specialise in supplying professionally made stills and equipment.
        I wonder if the same would happen with drugs!?? Probably not!
        We run a reflux still on a yacht in Auckland making coconut rum (http://youtu.be/EKShBnKniRU).
        Kind regards,
        Steve Sinclair

      • brewhausinc
        We do actually have a lobbyist on board, and are pushing hard for this. And believe me, we are using NZ as an example. Bad things did not happen when home
        Message 3 of 4 , Mar 29, 2014
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          We do actually have a lobbyist on board, and are pushing hard for this.  And believe me, we are using NZ as an example.  Bad things did not happen when home distilling was legalized.  If anything, it makes the process safer because it comes out of the shadows.
        • Derek Hamlet
          Sort of a cute note. It is both correct and wildly erroneous. Yes, there is a huge profit to state governmenst in the marijuana business. But to say there
          Message 4 of 4 , Mar 29, 2014
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            Sort of a cute note. It is both correct and wildly erroneous.
            Yes, there is a huge profit to state governmenst in the marijuana
            business. But to say there is not much the Federal Govt. can do is
            because of the profits is a bit of an illogical connection.
            It is interesting to those of us that live outside of the USA
            though. The states rights stuff determines much of what can and
            cannot be done in comparison to other western democracies where such
            stuff defaults to a federal jurisdition. In Canada, for example, it
            is clearly in the Federal jurisdition and we watch with great
            interest the unfolding events in Colorado and Washington and how it
            may affect thinking here. For what it's worth, it completely flows
            with the way folks in Washington state see the world; Colorado
            surprises me a bit, but they've certainly embraced it from a business
            perspective.
            To conjecture that FDR was easily elected because he said he would
            repeal prohibition is another cute linkage. Yes, he said he
            would repeal prohibition, yes he was elected. He also spent a of
            time talking about the New Deal, unemployment and the social contract.

            Boutique craft distilleries are popping up like dandelions. There is
            a market demand. Notice it comes on the heels of the craft beer
            phenomenon. It's fun to watch the big breweries react with specialty
            beers. Budweiser is the most noticeable example of the "us too" crowd.
            The following is a theory not factual; just conjecture.
            We hobby distillers face two major problems. There is fairly big
            money, lobbying etc. whose goal is to keep spirits profits in the
            hands of as few as people as possible.
            Secondly there is a perception that distilling is dangerous because
            a) it creates danger from fires and explosions (possible) and
            it can create health dangers from poisonous substances generated
            through poor distilling practices.
            It was not that long ago that making homebrew and wine at home was
            illegal. We know there are millions of people doing it. Our
            european immigrant populations never stopped -ever. They certainly
            gave it away to friends and relatives, but I've never seen much
            evidence of a for profit movement amongst home beer and winemakers;
            too much work for minimal return.
            I have been a serious winemaker for more than 50 years. Over those
            years, I would say the vast majority of the folks I import and buy
            grapes with come from the Italian/Portuguese communities.
            Back in the day before suburban diaspora, the Italian and Portuguese
            neighbourhoods smelled like fermenting grapes for weeks in the early
            Fall. Lovely.
            My hope is that judicious education of the lawmakers will make them
            realize it is a hobby. Some people will screw up, but not enough to
            create any kind of meaningful data.
            Ditto legalized marijuana. Legalization will put the bad boys out of
            business and the little folk who grow a few plants at home will be
            largely ignored; just as us distillers are ignored.
            Generally speaking I don't think the legal system is interested in
            little home distillers, no matter what the reality TV folks would
            like us to believe.At 05:57 AM 3/29/2014, you wrote:
            >
            >
            >Steve:
            >You are correct in your statement in so many ways. Here in the US,
            >we can legally make wash, wort, and wine, and we can legally own a
            >still. If we put the two together, we will be arrested, charged
            >with a felony, fined, or sent to prison. There are now two US
            >states that have legalized smoking pot, and the US government can't
            >do much to stop them because these states are making a killing on
            >permits to grow and sales taxes.
            >
            >Here is a little known fact that will surprise most people in the
            >US. The US Government almost went bankrupt between 1922 and the
            >repeal of Prohibition because they lost revenue from beer and
            >spirits. F.D.R. ran for US President on a platform that would
            >repeal Prohibition and he won easily. The taxes on spirits is that
            >vital to almost every country in the world that they will protect
            >their revenue stream like a momma bear protecting her cubs. Some of
            >us are working on the Federal level and others are involve on the
            >state level to change current laws. In the end, I don't see state
            >or our federal government ever allowing hobby distilling without
            >strict regulations, permits, and taxes. Many of us will be able to
            >make our few gallons without being caught, but we are at risk every
            >time we run a small batch unless you live way out in the back country.
            >
            >Robert

            Derek



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