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Re: [new_distillers] Changes to 26 USC for Legalization

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  • RLB
    TTB replaced the main duties of tax collection and enforcement that ATForiginally had involving alcohol.  If you want such a legislation to pass, Congress,
    Message 1 of 37 , Jul 19, 2013
      TTB replaced the main duties of tax collection and enforcement that ATF originally had involving alcohol.  If you want such a legislation to pass, Congress, we need to offer them something in return.

      We should offer them a nominal fee based permit ($50), our names, our addresses, our still location, list of our equipment, our formulas, and our production records.  We give them a little of what they want from distillers, and we will most likely get what we want from them.

      They will never approve 200 gals of 195 proof alcohol because that tells them that we are selling  moonshine without paying your fair share of taxes.  10 gals will most likely pass, but 20 gals will be much harder to pass in a new bill.  In time, TTB will most likely drop that permit and fee system when we prove to them that it's hobby distilling rather than moonshiners who are trying to break the law by not paying their taxes.  If the TTB sets up a hobby permit system, most states will do the same.  Regulated pot growing is becoming legal, so it's time that hobby distilling became regulated and legal.

      From: allibugger <allibugger@...>
      To: new_distillers@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 11:08 AM
      Subject: [new_distillers] Changes to 26 USC for Legalization

      This post is directed at all members who reside in the USA. I assume anyone reading this message is aware that the distillation of alcohol in any amount without a permit from the ATF (Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms) is against Federal laws. It is also agaist all state laws that I know of except Missouri. I also assume that most members of this forum are aware that recently the TTB (Alcohol and Tobacco Tax Trade Bureau) sent a demand letter to all of the major manufacturers/sellers (read the ones they could identify) requiring them to send the TTB a list of the names and adddresses of everyone they sold a distilling apparatus to during the past 3 years. Going forward this list of customer's names/addresses is to be submitted quarterly. What the TTB intends to do with this list is unknown to those of us not connected with the TTB.

      There is a petition going around to supossedly be sent to Congress requesting that hobby distilling be legalized. Many of you may have signed it - some have expressed concern about putting their real name on something that is currently illegal.

      During the past several months members on the Brehaus Forum have been working very hard on a change to the current legislation that we think will fix the law. Basically what this change does is put hobby distillers on a par with the beer and wine makers who are allowed to produce up to 200 gallons of beer or wine a year without a permit. The proposed change would allow anyone to distill as much or as little of the currently legal amount of beer (mash) of 200 gallons. Put another way, you would be able to ferment up to 200 gallons of mash per year per household and distill some of it or all of it.

      To access this proposal, go to www.brewhaus.com and go to the bottom of the left side of the home page and find Forum. That will take you to the Form page - open that and click on Legalization. The 2nd topic is 26 USC for Legalization. At the bottom of the 1st post is the document: hd-legalization-1.0.pdf. Open that doc and read it. It is open - you can add or subtract from it as you see fit.

      Now comes the hard part. We need to get this proposal to as many Congressmen/Women as possible. They are busy fighting and this proposal will not make the Feds a dime. What it will do save the TTB money because they wouldn't have to worry about collecting $27.00 from everyone who makes 2 gallons of untaxed hooch. Do you know a corgress person? Do you know someone who does? Send this proposal to them. Meet them at a tomnhall metting and hand it to them. Make an appointment and go to their office. Don't be afraid to start with one of their aids as long as somebody listens to you. Attached is a shortcut you can copy and paste in your browser: http://www.brewhausforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=889&d=1373544747

      If you have questions on how to proceed, send me an email. Thanks for reading. Alli

    • allibugger
      John et al., Sorry guys but I never got permission from the moderator to post this spreadsheet. You will have to get it the from the Brewhaus forum,
      Message 37 of 37 , Aug 29, 2013
        John et al.,
        Sorry guys but I never got permission from the moderator to post this spreadsheet. You will have to get it the from the Brewhaus forum, Legalization, Tracking File for Legislators.

        The latest update is today. Since this post we have added Texas, Kentucky and Illinois. We need someone to contact Senator Robert C. Casey, Senator of Pennsylvania. He just said he was pushing to lower the tax rate on small breweries in Pittsburgh and across the country. See my post on the Brewhaus forum; Legalization, Goal #2.

        I may be contacted personnaly at allibugger@.... We are starting to roll - let's keep the ball moving. Thanks. Alli

        --- In new_distillers@yahoogroups.com, "tgfoitwoods" <zymurgybob@...> wrote:
        > I sure wouldn't object.
        > Zymurgy Bob, a simple potstiller Making Fine Spirits
        > <http://kelleybarts.com/MFS.html>
        > --- In new_distillers@yahoogroups.com, "jsducote" wrote:
        > >
        > > Alli,
        > > Would you object to posting (or uploading to the files area) your
        > spreadsheet of who has been contacted and what their response has been
        > (favorable/unfavorable/unresponsive)? I think it might be helpful in
        > establishing a sort of domino effect if the supportive congresspersons
        > are used to help influence others.
        > >
        > > Would anyone object if it were posted/updated monthly? Or are
        > quarterly updates more appropriate?
        > > -john
        > >
        > > --- In new_distillers@yahoogroups.com, "allibugger" allibugger@ wrote:
        > > >
        > > > Well folks we are making progress. Congressional representatives
        > have been contacted in California, Florida, Massachusetts, North
        > Carolina Texas and Virginia. Now is a great time to check your
        > congressmans/womens websites - they may be doing townhalls in your
        > neighborhood while they are out for the August break. Go to the
        > attached link for copies of the proposed legislation, a great power
        > point presentation and information on how to contact your congressional
        > folks. Thanks for your help. Email or post questions.
        > > > Alli
        > > > http://www.brewhaus.com/Legalize-Hobby-Distilling.aspx
        > > >
        > >
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