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  • homemade12476
    i have just got done running my 4th run with baking soda and distilled water.its neutral but really dry tasting at 50%.
    Message 1 of 15 , Aug 29, 2008
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      i have just got done running my 4th run with baking soda and
      distilled water.its neutral but really dry tasting at 50%.
    • jamesonbeam1
      Welp Dang, Neutral and dry tasing is a good thing to me. If ya want it wet add some cherry Kool-Aid lol. Vino es Veritas, Jim.
      Message 2 of 15 , Aug 29, 2008
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        Welp Dang,

        Neutral and dry tasing is a good thing to me. If ya want it wet add
        some cherry Kool-Aid lol.

        Vino es Veritas,
        Jim.


        --- In new_distillers@yahoogroups.com, "homemade12476"
        <homemade12476@...> wrote:
        >
        > i have just got done running my 4th run with baking soda and
        > distilled water.its neutral but really dry tasting at 50%.
        >
      • homemade12476
        lol .DAMN IT JIM..im not making a martini,or koolaid.your sounding like your drinking a martini right now.--- In new_distillers@yahoogroups.com, jamesonbeam1
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          lol .DAMN IT JIM..im not making a martini,or koolaid.your sounding
          like your drinking a martini right now.--- In
          new_distillers@yahoogroups.com, "jamesonbeam1" <jamesonbeam1@...>
          wrote:
          >
          > Welp Dang,
          >
          > Neutral and dry tasing is a good thing to me. If ya want it wet
          add
          > some cherry Kool-Aid lol.
          >
          > Vino es Veritas,
          > Jim.
          >
          >
          > --- In new_distillers@yahoogroups.com, "homemade12476"
          > <homemade12476@> wrote:
          > >
          > > i have just got done running my 4th run with baking soda and
          > > distilled water.its neutral but really dry tasting at 50%.
          > >
        • rye_junkie1
          ... Hey Homey, After Reading your post I broke into my Stash of MUM. I got one fifth left. Took a swallow and there is no dry taste/feel to me. But I was
          Message 4 of 15 , Aug 29, 2008
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            --- In new_distillers@yahoogroups.com, "homemade12476"
            <homemade12476@...> wrote:
            >
            > i have just got done running my 4th run with baking soda and
            > distilled water.its neutral but really dry tasting at 50%.
            >
            Hey Homey,
            After Reading your post I broke into my Stash of MUM. I got one fifth
            left. Took a swallow and there is no dry taste/feel to me. But I was
            also eating a Popsicle. Damn hot day today here in north FL. I am
            assuming you XXXX in a Pot rig? Have you ever used Baking Soda
            before? It only helped my neutral stuff so far and all I have noticed
            was increased quality and less bite. If this was the first time you
            used it then you may simply be detecting the cleaner taste that it
            gives. Also how did you do your runs? Collection temps cuts for the
            final run if any? When I ran mine it was like this:
            First run, took everything to 209F.
            Second run, discarded all before 172F and collected up to 204F
            Third run, " " " " and collected up to 185F
            Fourth run, I had just under a gallon and I added 1 tbs of Baking
            soda. I now know to add 1 tbs/liter. I collected I think 300-500ml
            for heads, Not that it was necessary but I think it helped, and then
            everything to around 181F for drinking. That 4th run ran steady at
            173F for a while. Wish I could give you a better answer. Bottom
            line: Is it good? Drinkable? When I run spirits in the above maner
            I have always gotten excellent Hooch and never had a headache or
            hangover even when I know I should have.

            Mason
          • homemade12476
            yes mason it smooth but real dry i have ran all my runs around 205 the 4th around 188.what do you uae for a pot? i no longer have my old pot still my great
            Message 5 of 15 , Aug 29, 2008
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              yes mason it smooth but real dry i have ran all my runs around 205
              the 4th around 188.what do you uae for a pot? i no longer have my
              old pot still my great uncle took my grandfathers still back and im
              stuck with a alum keg for now.--- In
              new_distillers@yahoogroups.com, "rye_junkie1" <rye_junkie@...>
              wrote:
              >
              > --- In new_distillers@yahoogroups.com, "homemade12476"
              > <homemade12476@> wrote:
              > >
              > > i have just got done running my 4th run with baking soda and
              > > distilled water.its neutral but really dry tasting at 50%.
              > >
              > Hey Homey,
              > After Reading your post I broke into my Stash of MUM. I got one
              fifth
              > left. Took a swallow and there is no dry taste/feel to me. But I
              was
              > also eating a Popsicle. Damn hot day today here in north FL. I am
              > assuming you XXXX in a Pot rig? Have you ever used Baking Soda
              > before? It only helped my neutral stuff so far and all I have
              noticed
              > was increased quality and less bite. If this was the first time
              you
              > used it then you may simply be detecting the cleaner taste that it
              > gives. Also how did you do your runs? Collection temps cuts for
              the
              > final run if any? When I ran mine it was like this:
              > First run, took everything to 209F.
              > Second run, discarded all before 172F and collected up to 204F
              > Third run, " " " " and collected up to 185F
              > Fourth run, I had just under a gallon and I added 1 tbs of Baking
              > soda. I now know to add 1 tbs/liter. I collected I think
              300-500ml
              > for heads, Not that it was necessary but I think it helped, and
              then
              > everything to around 181F for drinking. That 4th run ran steady
              at
              > 173F for a while. Wish I could give you a better answer. Bottom
              > line: Is it good? Drinkable? When I run spirits in the above
              maner
              > I have always gotten excellent Hooch and never had a headache or
              > hangover even when I know I should have.
              >
              > Mason
              >
            • rye_junkie1
              ... I use a 32 quart/8 gallon SS stock pot with a mixing bowl for a cap for my pot rig and the same pot but with a 1/8 SS plate and a sink strainer
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                --- In new_distillers@yahoogroups.com, "homemade12476"
                <homemade12476@...> wrote:
                >
                > yes mason it smooth but real dry i have ran all my runs around 205
                > the 4th around 188.what do you uae for a pot? i no longer have my
                > old pot still my great uncle took my grandfathers still back and im
                > stuck with a alum keg for now.--- In


                I use a 32 quart/8 gallon SS stock pot with a mixing bowl for a cap
                for my pot rig and the same pot but with a 1/8" SS plate and a sink
                strainer basket/adapter for my reflux column.

                I silver brazed a 1" copper fitting to the mixing bowl and used 1"
                pipe and Tee for a short column then reduced it down with the Tee to
                3/4" and used a threaded coupling so I can break the Liebig off of it
                for easy cleaning. I stripped a 14%, 6 gal turbo wash with it this
                morning to 210F in less than 3 hours. Yielded just under 2 gal. I
                have less than 100 bucks in the whole pot rig. I bought the Stock pot
                and mixing bowl at some discount outlet kitchen place for around 50
                bucks. I got a couple of odd looks as I was trying to match the pot
                to a bowl but after a few minutes it was mission accomplished.

                Mason
              • homemade12476
                im a little slow at work but im still looking for a 55gal ss drum. i know when my dad sold boiled peanuts b4 he had his stroke he paid 150 for it and im still
                Message 7 of 15 , Aug 29, 2008
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                  im a little slow at work but im still looking for a 55gal ss drum. i
                  know when my dad sold boiled peanuts b4 he had his stroke he paid
                  150 for it and im still trying to find the guy who got it for him---
                  In new_distillers@yahoogroups.com, "rye_junkie1" <rye_junkie@...>
                  wrote:
                  >
                  > --- In new_distillers@yahoogroups.com, "homemade12476"
                  > <homemade12476@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > yes mason it smooth but real dry i have ran all my runs around
                  205
                  > > the 4th around 188.what do you uae for a pot? i no longer have
                  my
                  > > old pot still my great uncle took my grandfathers still back and
                  im
                  > > stuck with a alum keg for now.--- In
                  >
                  >
                  > I use a 32 quart/8 gallon SS stock pot with a mixing bowl for a
                  cap
                  > for my pot rig and the same pot but with a 1/8" SS plate and a
                  sink
                  > strainer basket/adapter for my reflux column.
                  >
                  > I silver brazed a 1" copper fitting to the mixing bowl and used 1"
                  > pipe and Tee for a short column then reduced it down with the Tee
                  to
                  > 3/4" and used a threaded coupling so I can break the Liebig off of
                  it
                  > for easy cleaning. I stripped a 14%, 6 gal turbo wash with it
                  this
                  > morning to 210F in less than 3 hours. Yielded just under 2 gal.
                  I
                  > have less than 100 bucks in the whole pot rig. I bought the Stock
                  pot
                  > and mixing bowl at some discount outlet kitchen place for around
                  50
                  > bucks. I got a couple of odd looks as I was trying to match the
                  pot
                  > to a bowl but after a few minutes it was mission accomplished.
                  >
                  > Mason
                  >
                • jamesonbeam1
                  Matter of fact I was [:)] . An extra dry Vodka Martini, where the vermouth bottle is just waved over the glass... Vino es Veritas, James. (Bond) And it was
                  Message 8 of 15 , Aug 30, 2008
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                    Matter of fact I was :).  An extra dry Vodka Martini, where the vermouth bottle is just waved over the glass... 

                    Vino es Veritas,

                    James.   (Bond)

                    And it was Shaken, Not Stirred of course ;)

                    --- In new_distillers@yahoogroups.com, "homemade12476" <homemade12476@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > lol .DAMN IT JIM..im not making a martini,or koolaid.your sounding
                    > like your drinking a martini right now.--- In
                    > new_distillers@yahoogroups.com, "jamesonbeam1" jamesonbeam1@
                    > wrote:
                    > >
                    > > Welp Dang,
                    > >
                    > > Neutral and dry tasing is a good thing to me. If ya want it wet
                    > add
                    > > some cherry Kool-Aid lol.
                    > >
                    > > Vino es Veritas,
                    > > Jim.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > --- In new_distillers@yahoogroups.com, "homemade12476"
                    > > <homemade12476@> wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > i have just got done running my 4th run with baking soda and
                    > > > distilled water.its neutral but really dry tasting at 50%.
                    > > >
                    >

                  • jamesonbeam1
                    Sidenote Homes, Bond first ordered a drink to be shaken in Fleming s novel Casino Royale (1953) when he
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                      Sidenote Homes,

                      Bond first ordered a drink to be shaken in Fleming's novel Casino Royale (1953) when he requested a drink of his own invention which would later be referred to as a "Vesper", named after the Bond girl, Vesper Lynd. After just meeting his CIA contact Felix Leiter for the first time, Bond orders the drink from a barman while at the casino.

                      'A dry martini,' he said. 'One. In a deep champagne goblet.'

                      'Oui, monsieur.'

                      'Just a moment. Three measures of Gordon's, one of vodka, half a measure of Kina Lillet. Shake it very well until it's ice-cold, then add a large thin slice of lemon peel. Got it?'

                      'Certainly monsieur.' The barman seemed pleased with the idea.

                      'Gosh, that's certainly a drink,' said Leiter.

                      Bond laughed. 'When I'm...er...concentrating,' he explained, 'I never have more than one drink before dinner. But I do like that one to be large and very strong and very cold, and very well-made. I hate small portions of anything, particularly when they taste bad. This drink's my own invention. I'm going to patent it when I think of a good name.'

                      —Casino Royale, Chapter 7: Rouge et Noir[5]

                      A Vesper differs from Bond's usual cocktail of choice, the martini, in that it uses both gin and vodka, Kina Lillet instead of vermouth, and a lemon peel instead of an olive. In the same scene Bond gives more details about the Vesper telling the same barman that vodka made from grain instead of potatoes makes the drink even better. Russian and Polish vodkas were also always preferred by Bond if they were in stock. Although there is a lot of discussion on the Vesper, it is only ordered once throughout Fleming's novels and by later books Bond is ordering regular vodka martinis, though he also drinks regular gin martinis. In total Bond orders 19 vodka martinis and 16 gin martinis throughout Fleming's novels and short stories.[6]

                      James........

                      --- In new_distillers@yahoogroups.com, "jamesonbeam1" <jamesonbeam1@...> wrote:
                      >
                      >
                      > Matter of fact I was [:)] . An extra dry Vodka Martini, where the
                      > vermouth bottle is just waved over the glass...
                      >
                      > Vino es Veritas,
                      >
                      > James. (Bond)
                      >
                      > And it was Shaken, Not Stirred of course [;)]
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In new_distillers@yahoogroups.com, "homemade12476"
                      > homemade12476@ wrote:
                      > >
                      > > lol .DAMN IT JIM..im not making a martini,or koolaid.your sounding
                      > > like your drinking a martini right now.--- In
                      > > new_distillers@yahoogroups.com, "jamesonbeam1" jamesonbeam1@
                      > > wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > Welp Dang,
                      > > >
                      > > > Neutral and dry tasing is a good thing to me. If ya want it wet
                      > > add
                      > > > some cherry Kool-Aid lol.
                      > > >
                      > > > Vino es Veritas,
                      > > > Jim.
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > --- In new_distillers@yahoogroups.com, "homemade12476"
                      > > > <homemade12476@> wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > i have just got done running my 4th run with baking soda and
                      > > > > distilled water.its neutral but really dry tasting at 50%.
                      > > > >
                      > >
                      >

                    • rye_junkie1
                      ... I thought about this a little more and the thought came to me that you may not have let the wash settle out clear as I did. I did 2 of these washes and on
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                        --- In new_distillers@yahoogroups.com, "homemade12476"
                        <homemade12476@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > i have just got done running my 4th run with baking soda and
                        > distilled water.its neutral but really dry tasting at 50%.
                        >

                        I thought about this a little more and the thought came to me that you
                        may not have let the wash settle out clear as I did. I did 2 of these
                        washes and on both I let them settle out in a carboy for over a week.
                        The first wash had a couple pounds of Brown Sugar in it and although
                        It had cleared nicely it was dark and you couldn't see through it.
                        The second wash was white sugar only and cleared so well you could see
                        objects on the opposite side of the carboy. I used an irish moss
                        tablet from my LHBS in that one. They work pretty well. Even on a turbo.
                        My point is, that if you did not let the wash settle then the dryness
                        you are getting could be coming from the yeast and other stuff that
                        went into the boiler on the strip run. Then again this may have
                        nothing to do with it.
                        I do know this. Having patience with letting a wash settle and clear
                        gives a very rewarding final product. For me it makes the difference
                        between just plain ol' drinkin hooch and good sharin' whiskey.

                        Mason
                      • jamesonbeam1
                        Names Bond, James Bond - I ll take a dry Martini - shaken not stirred and no whiskey in it hehehehe. James....
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                          Names Bond, James Bond -

                          I'll take a dry Martini - shaken not stirred and no whiskey in it
                          hehehehe.

                          James....


                          --- In new_distillers@yahoogroups.com, "rye_junkie1" <rye_junkie@...>
                          wrote:
                          > I do know this. Having patience with letting a wash settle and clear
                          > gives a very rewarding final product. For me it makes the difference
                          > between just plain ol' drinkin hooch and good sharin' whiskey.
                          >
                          > Mason
                          >
                        • billy.turf
                          Mason, I have had the same experience with running a sugar wash that wasn t cleared it had a dryer taste. Since then I have started using turbo clear on all my
                          Message 12 of 15 , Aug 31, 2008
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                            Mason,

                            I have had the same experience with running a sugar wash that wasn't
                            cleared it had a dryer taste. Since then I have started using turbo
                            clear on all my washes so that even a brown sugar wash is totally see
                            thru even though it's got a darker tint.

                            Billy

                            --- In new_distillers@yahoogroups.com, "rye_junkie1" <rye_junkie@...>
                            wrote:
                            >
                            > --- In new_distillers@yahoogroups.com, "homemade12476"
                            > <homemade12476@> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > i have just got done running my 4th run with baking soda and
                            > > distilled water.its neutral but really dry tasting at 50%.
                            > >
                            >
                            > I thought about this a little more and the thought came to me that
                            you
                            > may not have let the wash settle out clear as I did. I did 2 of
                            these
                            > washes and on both I let them settle out in a carboy for over a
                            week.
                            > The first wash had a couple pounds of Brown Sugar in it and
                            although
                            > It had cleared nicely it was dark and you couldn't see through it.
                            > The second wash was white sugar only and cleared so well you could
                            see
                            > objects on the opposite side of the carboy. I used an irish moss
                            > tablet from my LHBS in that one. They work pretty well. Even on a
                            turbo.
                            > My point is, that if you did not let the wash settle then the
                            dryness
                            > you are getting could be coming from the yeast and other stuff that
                            > went into the boiler on the strip run. Then again this may have
                            > nothing to do with it.
                            > I do know this. Having patience with letting a wash settle and
                            clear
                            > gives a very rewarding final product. For me it makes the
                            difference
                            > between just plain ol' drinkin hooch and good sharin' whiskey.
                            >
                            > Mason
                            >
                          • homemade12476
                            i have just started useing sparkloid,could this be the prob or mor likly thr alum keg?my wash clears for about 4days.and as for you james,im not a martini
                            Message 13 of 15 , Sep 1, 2008
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                              i have just started useing sparkloid,could this be the prob or mor
                              likly thr alum keg?my wash clears for about 4days.and as for you
                              james,im not a martini drinker but i can tell you this a small
                              japanse steakhouse thats makes some saki/timis that will put you
                              under....... "jack is a big man but jim is bigger",,sofar its it my
                              brothers saying but heres mine ,"the maker will leave his mark"i
                              guess its what you like tomuch at hurts ya. --- In
                              new_distillers@yahoogroups.com, "rye_junkie1" <rye_junkie@...>
                              wrote:
                              >
                              > --- In new_distillers@yahoogroups.com, "homemade12476"
                              > <homemade12476@> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > i have just got done running my 4th run with baking soda and
                              > > distilled water.its neutral but really dry tasting at 50%.
                              > >
                              >
                              > I thought about this a little more and the thought came to me that
                              you
                              > may not have let the wash settle out clear as I did. I did 2 of
                              these
                              > washes and on both I let them settle out in a carboy for over a
                              week.
                              > The first wash had a couple pounds of Brown Sugar in it and
                              although
                              > It had cleared nicely it was dark and you couldn't see through it.
                              > The second wash was white sugar only and cleared so well you could
                              see
                              > objects on the opposite side of the carboy. I used an irish moss
                              > tablet from my LHBS in that one. They work pretty well. Even on
                              a turbo.
                              > My point is, that if you did not let the wash settle then the
                              dryness
                              > you are getting could be coming from the yeast and other stuff
                              that
                              > went into the boiler on the strip run. Then again this may have
                              > nothing to do with it.
                              > I do know this. Having patience with letting a wash settle and
                              clear
                              > gives a very rewarding final product. For me it makes the
                              difference
                              > between just plain ol' drinkin hooch and good sharin' whiskey.
                              >
                              > Mason
                              >
                            • jamesonbeam1
                              Homemade: Sparkloid is just for clarifying your wash. It has nothing to do with dryness or your aluminum keg. If your not into martinis or drinking dry
                              Message 14 of 15 , Sep 2, 2008
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                                Homemade:

                                Sparkloid is just for clarifying your wash.  It has nothing to do with "dryness" or your aluminum keg.

                                If your not into martinis or drinking "dry" stuff, maybe following the MUM recipe just using white cane sugar isnt for ya.  You might want to try checking out "maceration" in our Info base and going to a gin or something.  Also might want to explore going into rum making and substituting molasses and brown sugars in the MUM recipe - there are many many postings and info on this - ya could also try some brandy mixtures :).  As far as saki goes, the Chinese make some even stronger stuff that will put ya "under" and as far as "the maker will leave his mark" goes - "Maker's Mark"  is one of my favorite Bourbons hehe.

                                Vino es Veritas,

                                James.

                                "Shaken, not stirred please."

                                --- In new_distillers@yahoogroups.com, "homemade12476" <homemade12476@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > i have just started useing sparkloid,could this be the prob or mor
                                > likly thr alum keg?my wash clears for about 4days.and as for you
                                > james,im not a martini drinker but i can tell you this a small
                                > japanse steakhouse thats makes some saki/timis that will put you
                                > under....... "jack is a big man but jim is bigger",,sofar its it my
                                > brothers saying but heres mine ,"the maker will leave his mark"i
                                > guess its what you like tomuch at hurts ya.

                              • homemade12476
                                mason and jim i found the problem with my dry MUM.i had my great uncle try it in the old trusty old pot still i used to use. distilled only 2 times and tastes
                                Message 15 of 15 , Sep 2, 2008
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                                  mason and jim i found the problem with my dry MUM.i had my great
                                  uncle try it in the old trusty old pot still i used to use.
                                  distilled only 2 times and tastes good.leaving me to think its the
                                  keg that was sitting for 2 years half full of beer.im going shopping
                                  for a new boiler in the morn.... P.S. jim, no more dry martini for
                                  me and mason stop putting your name on all my damn jars. ;)--- In
                                  new_distillers@yahoogroups.com, "jamesonbeam1" <jamesonbeam1@...>
                                  wrote:
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Homemade:
                                  >
                                  > Sparkloid is just for clarifying your wash. It has nothing to do
                                  with
                                  > "dryness" or your aluminum keg.
                                  >
                                  > If your not into martinis or drinking "dry" stuff, maybe following
                                  the
                                  > MUM recipe just using white cane sugar isnt for ya. You might
                                  want to
                                  > try checking out "maceration" in our Info base and going to a gin
                                  or
                                  > something. Also might want to explore going into rum making and
                                  > substituting molasses and brown sugars in the MUM recipe - there
                                  are
                                  > many many postings and info on this - ya could also try some
                                  brandy
                                  > mixtures [:)] . As far as saki goes, the Chinese make some even
                                  > stronger stuff that will put ya "under" and as far as "the maker
                                  will
                                  > leave his mark" goes - "Maker's Mark" is one of my favorite
                                  Bourbons
                                  > hehe.
                                  >
                                  > Vino es Veritas,
                                  >
                                  > James.
                                  >
                                  > "Shaken, not stirred please."
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > --- In new_distillers@yahoogroups.com, "homemade12476"
                                  > <homemade12476@> wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > i have just started useing sparkloid,could this be the prob or
                                  mor
                                  > > likly thr alum keg?my wash clears for about 4days.and as for you
                                  > > james,im not a martini drinker but i can tell you this a small
                                  > > japanse steakhouse thats makes some saki/timis that will put you
                                  > > under....... "jack is a big man but jim is bigger",,sofar its it
                                  my
                                  > > brothers saying but heres mine ,"the maker will leave his mark"i
                                  > > guess its what you like tomuch at hurts ya.
                                  >
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