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  • leeham collins
    hey guys just about to braze up and try my new reflux tower just a short question i have been using super turbo yeasts for a while now when using a reflux
    Message 1 of 7 , Oct 6, 2000
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      hey guys just about to braze up and try my new reflux tower
      just a short question

      i have been using super turbo yeasts for a while now
      when using a reflux tower do you have to wait to
      the wash settles right out to distill it or can you chuck some of
      the yeast in with it

      i mean the yeast when it is very slowly bubling at about
      995 on the hydrometer
      or 1 bubble every 5 mins or so

      will it effect the quality in the reflux tower ???
      fusils, bad tastes etc??????

      and everyones post latly have been very good questions and answers
      congrats to every one whose a member
    • Tony & Elle Ackland
      Chris 1. Packing In the original Stillmaker plan, the packing is Raschig rings. I have read that a lot of you use stainless steel scrubbers. Is there a large
      Message 2 of 7 , Oct 6, 2000
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        Chris

        1. Packing

        In the original Stillmaker plan, the packing is Raschig rings. I have
        read that a lot of you use stainless steel scrubbers. Is there a
        large difference in performance? Cleaning? What exactly are scrubbers
        and where would I find these? Is "scrubber" a Kiwi term for
        steel wool?

        >Yeah, you might know them as pot scourers. Those steel wool things used
        for cleaning out dirty pans & dishes - found at the supermarket. Go for
        the ones that look like little "slinkies" - spirals - not just the fine
        wool ones (but they'll still work nonetheless). These should give about 2-3
        times the performance of Rachig rings, because of their greater surface
        area. But they will also clog up easier too - so after every run, pour
        some boiling water down through your column. You can even do this if you
        notice your column starting to "surge" mid-way through a run. After a few
        distillations, you might want to pull them out and wash them properly.

        2. The Cooling Pipes

        In the original Stillmaker plan, the top and bottom reflux coolers
        (the water pipes) go through the main tower on the way to the
        condenser. Am I correct in my understanding that they do that, in
        part, to cool the vapors in the reflux tower as well as the condenser?

        Rob van Leuven's modification
        (http://www.geocities.com/kiwi_distiller/others.htm) deviates from
        the Stillmaker design in that his cooling pipes are placed much
        higher on the tower than the original. The concern was that the
        cooling pipes were interfering with the fractionating. Wouldn't
        that still be the case? It also seems to me that the closer the
        cooling pipes are to the thermometer, the more imprecise readings may
        become. How does the positioning of the cooling pipes affect the
        fractionating and where is the most effective placement of them in
        the tower?


        >What you want is that the column works out its own temperature profile
        (based on the purity of the distillate in it) from top to bottom. To do
        this, don't put additional coolers midway in it. You're aiming to just
        deliver it a nice flow of refluxing liquid at the top of the packing at
        close to the temperature of the packing at the column top (say 79C at 80%
        purity), which will then slowly warm to its own accord as it trickles its
        way down towards the pot and loses its alchol to the vapour (to say 93C at
        55% purity to match the vapour coming off a 10% wash).

        >The more reflux coming down over the packing, the purer your distillate
        will become. So if you put all your cooling tubes at the top of the
        column, you'll get the most reflux happening. If you were to put a cooling
        tube midway through the column, not only does it disturb the temperature
        profile, the vapour that its condensing & turning into reflux will only get
        to trickle down over half the packing, and only meet a small bit of the
        vapour - so it won't be able to hand over its alcohol as good as reflux
        which has had the whole height of packing to do this over.

        >So generate all your reflux at the top.

        >Once the vapour clears the top of the packing, its not going to improve in
        purity any further.
        The thermometer is just letting you see whats going on at the top of the
        column, not actually driving the control over the fractionating. But yes,
        its wise to have a bit of clearance between the cooling tubes & it.


        3. Rate of flow

        Would there be any advantage to placing some kind of plumbing valve
        on one of the cooling pipes to regulate rate of flow rather than
        depending on plumbing water pressure (which around here is pretty
        variable depending on housemates taking showers, etc)?

        >yes

        Also, is there a difference if the water flows in the bottom pipe and
        out the top or the other way around?

        >you want the coldest water going through the final vapour condensor, so to
        give it the best performance (dont want ethanol vapour being expelled into
        the kitchen!). On the otherhand, you don't want to over-chill (subcool)
        the distillate that you're refluxing. The ideal reflux is one just a
        smidgeon below its vapour temperature. So no point introducing your cold
        house water here - rather use the slightly warmed water thats leaving the
        vapour condensor. So this is why you normally plumb them to be cold into
        the condensor, then back through the other tubes, with the final exit to
        drain from the point closest to the to packing.


        4. Cleaning

        I assume that every part of the still should be cleaned after use to
        avoid the funk that my college beer-brewing friends ignored (and paid
        for later). Does the packing need to be removed to do this? Is a
        simple water wash good enough?

        >yes - definately defunk - see reply to 1)

        >Tony

        Thanks again, everyone. I'm enjoying these discussions and am
        really excited about this project.

        Chris
      • tarvus
        ... Chris, I plumbed a 1/2 inch ball valve into my cooling water input line and have been very glad I did. You can precisely regulate the cold water flow rate
        Message 3 of 7 , Oct 6, 2000
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          --- In new_distillers@egroups.com, cummingsc@h... wrote:
          > 3. Rate of flow
          >
          > Would there be any advantage to placing some kind of plumbing valve
          > on one of the cooling pipes to regulate rate of flow rather than
          > depending on plumbing water pressure (which around here is pretty
          > variable depending on housemates taking showers, etc)?

          Chris, I plumbed a 1/2 inch ball valve into my cooling water input
          line and have been very glad I did. You can precisely regulate the
          cold water flow rate this way with the advantage being the control is
          right on the still rather than at a hose bib or sink faucet away from
          the still. I highly recommend this modification!

          Tar
        • leeham collins
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          • Warren Ransom
            what s with the happy99.worm worm that was included in your last message attachment? you probably didn t do it on purpose, I hope, but everyone be aware, do
            Message 5 of 7 , Oct 6, 2000
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              what's with the 'happy99.worm' worm that was included in your last message
              attachment? you probably didn't do it on purpose, I hope, but everyone be
              aware, do not run the file, it will infect your machine...
              and Leeham, you might want to check your machine, as this worm modifies your
              wsock32.dll and sends itself with your email...
            • Rodger Lee
              I got one to, I have learned now not to open attachments unless you scan for worms and such. ... From: Tony & Elle Ackland
              Message 6 of 7 , Oct 7, 2000
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                I got one to, I have learned now not to open attachments unless you scan for
                worms and such.
                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "Tony & Elle Ackland" <Tony.Ackland@...>
                To: <new_distillers@egroups.com>
                Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 2:53 PM
                Subject: FW: [new_distillers] Re: Stillmaker Still : The Sequel


                > Did anyone else get a virus alert from this ?
                > Leeham - time to scan your computer !
                >
                > Tony
                >
                >
                > > ----------
                > > From: leeham collins[SMTP:LEEHAM@...]
                > > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 1:45:45 PM
                > > Subject: Re: [new_distillers] Re: Stillmaker Still : The Sequel
                > > Auto forwarded by a Rule
                > >
                > A virus has been removed from this message.
                >
                >
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