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  • steve a
    Hi I have some questions that hopefully some one with more knowledge than me will be able to answer. I keep reading conflicting information about the
    Message 1 of 2 , Oct 6, 2000

      I have some questions that hopefully some one with
      more knowledge than me will be able to answer. I keep
      reading conflicting information about the temperature
      in the column in my reflux still. I have read in many
      articles on the web that say the column temperature
      shouldn't go above 80 degrees Celsius. Yet many times
      and even sometimes in the same article its says you
      should stop distilling when the temperature reaches 92
      to 94 degrees. ? What should i keep the temperature at
      ?. If the temperature shouldn't rise above 80 how can
      you stop distilling at 94 ?.

      I made my first batch last week from a reflux still i
      made myself, i found the plans on the Internet. I
      didn't let the temperature in the upper part of the
      column get over 80, but it took me over 12 hours and
      eventually i had to turn it off as i had to go to
      work. Does it normally take that long to distil 25
      litres, im sure i could have got at least another
      litre out of it but i had no time left. I was thinking
      if i raised the temperature it wouldn't have taken so
      long but i was worried that if i did i might get some
      nasties in with my alcohol and i didn't want that.

      Any advise on this would be appreciated as i want to
      have another go at it next week. This time i will give
      myself at leat 16 hours...just in case haha. I need to
      be set right on the temperature part, i did read
      somewhere that said the evaporation temperature of
      Ethanol is higher than 80 when mixed with water, is
      this true ?

      Im sorry for asking all these questions but if i don't
      ask i will never know..

      Thanks for your help, its greatly appreciated !

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    • Tony & Elle Ackland
      Steve, The final temperature will depend on how good your still is at fractionating off the various components in the distillate. If its just a pot still, this
      Message 2 of 2 , Oct 6, 2000

        The final temperature will depend on how good your still is at
        fractionating off the various components in the distillate.

        If its just a pot still, this is poor, and you'll need to run up to about
        94-96C to get any decent yield. In taking it this high you'll probably
        segregate it, and keep that below about 92C for drinking, and re-run the
        92-96C stuff with the next batch of wash.

        If you've got a typical reflux still however, the ethanol will be coming
        off in a more distinct band. If you watch the temperatures as it heats up
        (without using a thermostat etc), it will get up to the 80's and then just
        sit there for quite a while as the ethanol comes off. Only towards the end
        of the run, as the pot starts to get low in ethanol will the temperature
        start to slowly increase again. I find that by the time its showing 94C,
        its only dripping out slowly and has dropped in purity down to about 40% -
        so not worth any more collection.

        I suspect that with the really good fractionating columns, tall & with
        heaps of reflux, that this plateau is even lower in temperature, and more
        sharply defined.

        It all comes down to the performance of your still as to where it will run.
        I don't believe that you need to control the power input to the pot,
        provided that the maximum power you're giving it is correctly matching the
        column diameter, type of packing, and reflux ratio. If all this is in
        balance, you should be able to just leave it turned on, and not mess around
        with trying to adjust power input to deliver a particular temperature.

        The temperature of the vapour is determined by % alcohol in it - nothing
        else (quiet from those of you running vacuum stills - shhhh!!). If you
        have a wash at 10% alcohol, it will be boiling at 93C in the pot. Any
        further heat you apply to it will just go into making alcohol vapour (at
        55% purity), not heating the liquid any more. The only time the liquid
        (and hence vapour above it) will get hotter than that is when it gets lower
        in alcohol content (eg inc to 96C at 5% in the wash). Same sorta thing is
        happening at the top of the reflux column ... the alcohol coming off the
        top of it will be in equilibrium between its temperature and its purity...
        so if it coming out at 80% purity the vapour temperature at the top there
        will be about 80C. The only way this will change is if the purity changes.
        So go deal to the column design (height, diameter, packing & reflux
        ratio), not the amount of heat you're putting in the base of it

        See http://www.geocities.com/kiwi_distiller/theory.htm for a graph of the
        relationship between temperature and purity.

        I think that the guidelines to "not go above 80" are somewhat wrong.

        Some of it is based on the misconception that because the boiling point of
        pure (100%) ethanol is 78C, and that for pure (100%) 2-propanol is 82C,
        that by getting somewhere just above that for ethanol, but below propanol,
        you're only going to get pure ethanol coming off is just plain wrong. It
        doesn't work like that - get a mixture of different alcohols & water
        together and the whole relationship changes - they will all be coming off
        in some proportion, over the whole range of temperatures. For ethanol &
        water this can be anywhere between 78 & 100 C

        The other part to it has some merit, but needs to be tempered by knowledge
        of your still's performance. Sure, if you have a really good reflux still,
        the vapour temperature at the top of it should be in the low 80's for most
        of the run. Once it starts increasing, then its indicating that you're
        running out of ethanol in the pot. But if your still design is only
        mediocre (as most are), and not pushing the 94%+ purity as a norm, then
        this could be happening while theres still a lot of decent ethanol to be
        collected. Gees- you'd probably give up on pot stills.

        There is no great risk in pushing your still up to the 90's (vapour
        temperature measured at top of column). The biggest problem is that those
        tails will start to taint the flavour of your good distillate. So collect
        them into a seperate container, and jugde for yourself by nose & taste
        which you want to use. Those that aren't suitable for drinking will still
        have worthwhile alcohol in them, so collect them until you have enough to
        do a seperate redistillation (water them down with a little water first),
        or simply add them to the next wash that you distill.

        See http://www.geocities.com/kiwi_distiller/dtw.htm for guidelines on doing

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