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  • hal031235@hotmail.com
    Hi can someone help please? As described in my previous posts, I have been having problems sealing my still. I figured that I had them finally cracked when I
    Message 1 of 15 , Nov 5, 2001
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      Hi

      can someone help please? As described in my previous posts, I have
      been having problems sealing my still. I figured that I had them
      finally cracked when I stripped 50litres of distilled sugar wash and
      there was only a little vapour escape.

      So today I set the still up to have my first go at distilling about
      25 litres of 30% stripped beer. It took about 50 minutes with my 3Kw
      heater to get up to a boil, I had set the reflux condensor to about
      500ml / min as per Tony's recent post on setup and waited for the
      temperature to rise, but it would not go above 25c at the top of the
      still even though I could hear a very strong boiling noise in the
      boiler and a gurgling sound in the still itself.

      So I switched off the boiler in case liquid was being pushed up the
      condensor tube (42mm). I then started up again, still no temperature
      increase at the top (20c) with 500ml/min through the reflux
      condensor, so I reduced the water flow and the temperature started to
      rise (and so did the water temperature out of the condensor, which
      was hot, but not so hot that I could not put my finger in it) and the
      temperature started to rise to about 49c. Whilst I was watching the
      temperature increase I hadn't noticed liquid pouring out of the
      output tube, I propped a measure under it and in about 2 minutes had
      250ml of distillate, the temperature was moving around 49ish C. I
      tried to increase the water flow in the reflux condensor and turned
      it up to full ( I estimate that would be 3-4litres per minute, but
      could n't stop liquid being condensed, so again I switched the boiler
      off. Whilst all this was going on, I am still having some vapour
      escaping frm the boiler lid. Have I too many ss scrubbers (17)in the
      1.2m tube, is this cuaing too much pressur eto build up in the still?

      I checked the liquid that I had collected - it is 92% alcohol,
      doesn't smell of anything (certainly not acetone) and a licked finger
      is tasteless except of alcohol (more the sensation on the tongue than
      the taste)

      Please help, what have I done wrong??

      regards
      Ron
    • Ian Macsween
      I ll give your problem some thought and get back to you later. The first thing that occurred to me was - did you leave enough head space . The only time
      Message 2 of 15 , Nov 5, 2001
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        I'll give your problem some thought and get back to you later. The first
        thing that occurred to me was - did you leave enough "head space". The only
        time that I had a problem of vapour escaping was when I filled the boiler
        too full.
        Your temperatures sound a little strange - I only have one thermometer -
        inserted in the still head cover. I start the water running at 65c and
        start to get distillate at about 78c. My still will boil for at least 5
        more hours before the temp. rises to the cut off point. I do not know if
        you have too many scrubbers - have you had any previous successful runs
        using the same set-up? from Ian

        Original Message -----
        From: <hal031235@...>
        To: <new_distillers@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 6:49 AM
        Subject: [new_distillers] Help!! What am I doing wrong


        > Hi
        >
        > can someone help please? As described in my previous posts, I have
        > been having problems sealing my still. I figured that I had them
        > finally cracked when I stripped 50litres of distilled sugar wash and
        > there was only a little vapour escape.
        >
        > So today I set the still up to have my first go at distilling about
        > 25 litres of 30% stripped beer. It took about 50 minutes with my 3Kw
        > heater to get up to a boil, I had set the reflux condensor to about
        > 500ml / min as per Tony's recent post on setup and waited for the
        > temperature to rise, but it would not go above 25c at the top of the
        > still even though I could hear a very strong boiling noise in the
        > boiler and a gurgling sound in the still itself.
        >
        > So I switched off the boiler in case liquid was being pushed up the
        > condensor tube (42mm). I then started up again, still no temperature
        > increase at the top (20c) with 500ml/min through the reflux
        > condensor, so I reduced the water flow and the temperature started to
        > rise (and so did the water temperature out of the condensor, which
        > was hot, but not so hot that I could not put my finger in it) and the
        > temperature started to rise to about 49c. Whilst I was watching the
        > temperature increase I hadn't noticed liquid pouring out of the
        > output tube, I propped a measure under it and in about 2 minutes had
        > 250ml of distillate, the temperature was moving around 49ish C. I
        > tried to increase the water flow in the reflux condensor and turned
        > it up to full ( I estimate that would be 3-4litres per minute, but
        > could n't stop liquid being condensed, so again I switched the boiler
        > off. Whilst all this was going on, I am still having some vapour
        > escaping frm the boiler lid. Have I too many ss scrubbers (17)in the
        > 1.2m tube, is this cuaing too much pressur eto build up in the still?
        >
        > I checked the liquid that I had collected - it is 92% alcohol,
        > doesn't smell of anything (certainly not acetone) and a licked finger
        > is tasteless except of alcohol (more the sensation on the tongue than
        > the taste)
        >
        > Please help, what have I done wrong??
        >
        > regards
        > Ron
        >
        >
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        >
        >
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        >
        >
      • hal031235@hotmail.com
        Hi Ian thanks for the reply, I filled 25litres in a 50litre boiler, I don t know was that too much? I had about 20cm head space to the top of the still
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          Hi Ian
          thanks for the reply, I filled 25litres in a 50litre boiler, I don't
          know was that too much? I had about 20cm head space to the top of the
          still entrance.

          I haven't had a succesful run as yet, this was the first attempt at
          full distillation.

          PS. I had a glass thermometer and a digital one, so the temps were
          correct

          regards
          Ron
          --- In new_distillers@y..., Ian Macsween <ianelamacsween@s...> wrote:
          > I'll give your problem some thought and get back to you later. The
          first
          > thing that occurred to me was - did you leave enough "head space".
          The only
          > time that I had a problem of vapour escaping was when I filled the
          boiler
          > too full.
          > Your temperatures sound a little strange - I only have one
          thermometer -
          > inserted in the still head cover. I start the water running at 65c
          and
          > start to get distillate at about 78c. My still will boil for at
          least 5
          > more hours before the temp. rises to the cut off point. I do not
          know if
          > you have too many scrubbers - have you had any previous successful
          runs
          > using the same set-up? from Ian
          >
          > Original Message -----
          > From: <hal031235@h...>
          > To: <new_distillers@y...>
          > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 6:49 AM
          > Subject: [new_distillers] Help!! What am I doing wrong
          >
          >
          > > Hi
          > >
          > > can someone help please? As described in my previous posts, I have
          > > been having problems sealing my still. I figured that I had them
          > > finally cracked when I stripped 50litres of distilled sugar wash
          and
          > > there was only a little vapour escape.
          > >
          > > So today I set the still up to have my first go at distilling
          about
          > > 25 litres of 30% stripped beer. It took about 50 minutes with my
          3Kw
          > > heater to get up to a boil, I had set the reflux condensor to
          about
          > > 500ml / min as per Tony's recent post on setup and waited for the
          > > temperature to rise, but it would not go above 25c at the top of
          the
          > > still even though I could hear a very strong boiling noise in the
          > > boiler and a gurgling sound in the still itself.
          > >
          > > So I switched off the boiler in case liquid was being pushed up
          the
          > > condensor tube (42mm). I then started up again, still no
          temperature
          > > increase at the top (20c) with 500ml/min through the reflux
          > > condensor, so I reduced the water flow and the temperature
          started to
          > > rise (and so did the water temperature out of the condensor, which
          > > was hot, but not so hot that I could not put my finger in it) and
          the
          > > temperature started to rise to about 49c. Whilst I was watching
          the
          > > temperature increase I hadn't noticed liquid pouring out of the
          > > output tube, I propped a measure under it and in about 2 minutes
          had
          > > 250ml of distillate, the temperature was moving around 49ish C. I
          > > tried to increase the water flow in the reflux condensor and
          turned
          > > it up to full ( I estimate that would be 3-4litres per minute, but
          > > could n't stop liquid being condensed, so again I switched the
          boiler
          > > off. Whilst all this was going on, I am still having some vapour
          > > escaping frm the boiler lid. Have I too many ss scrubbers (17)in
          the
          > > 1.2m tube, is this cuaing too much pressur eto build up in the
          still?
          > >
          > > I checked the liquid that I had collected - it is 92% alcohol,
          > > doesn't smell of anything (certainly not acetone) and a licked
          finger
          > > is tasteless except of alcohol (more the sensation on the tongue
          than
          > > the taste)
          > >
          > > Please help, what have I done wrong??
          > >
          > > regards
          > > Ron
          > >
          > >
          > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
          > > new_distillers-unsubscribe@onelist.com
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
          http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
          > >
          > >
        • Ian Macsween
          Should have been lots of headspace - no problem there! Can you tell me a little about your still - mine is very simple and I ve had no problems. But one of
          Message 4 of 15 , Nov 5, 2001
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            Should have been lots of headspace - no problem there! Can you tell me a
            little about your still - mine is very simple and I've had no problems. But
            one of the first things I did was test it out by just distilling water -
            takes longer than moonshine - but we don't mind wasting it. P.s. if you got
            92% or so thats good - when I run 30 litres I get almost a full gallon - 4
            litres -of approx 88% - get back to me - hope others join in - but for the
            moment try cooking off a batch of water.
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: <hal031235@...>
            To: <new_distillers@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 1:43 PM
            Subject: [new_distillers] Re: Help!! What am I doing wrong


            > Hi Ian
            > thanks for the reply, I filled 25litres in a 50litre boiler, I don't
            > know was that too much? I had about 20cm head space to the top of the
            > still entrance.
            >
            > I haven't had a succesful run as yet, this was the first attempt at
            > full distillation.
            >
            > PS. I had a glass thermometer and a digital one, so the temps were
            > correct
            >
            > regards
            > Ron
            > --- In new_distillers@y..., Ian Macsween <ianelamacsween@s...> wrote:
            > > I'll give your problem some thought and get back to you later. The
            > first
            > > thing that occurred to me was - did you leave enough "head space".
            > The only
            > > time that I had a problem of vapour escaping was when I filled the
            > boiler
            > > too full.
            > > Your temperatures sound a little strange - I only have one
            > thermometer -
            > > inserted in the still head cover. I start the water running at 65c
            > and
            > > start to get distillate at about 78c. My still will boil for at
            > least 5
            > > more hours before the temp. rises to the cut off point. I do not
            > know if
            > > you have too many scrubbers - have you had any previous successful
            > runs
            > > using the same set-up? from Ian
            > >
            > > Original Message -----
            > > From: <hal031235@h...>
            > > To: <new_distillers@y...>
            > > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 6:49 AM
            > > Subject: [new_distillers] Help!! What am I doing wrong
            > >
            > >
            > > > Hi
            > > >
            > > > can someone help please? As described in my previous posts, I have
            > > > been having problems sealing my still. I figured that I had them
            > > > finally cracked when I stripped 50litres of distilled sugar wash
            > and
            > > > there was only a little vapour escape.
            > > >
            > > > So today I set the still up to have my first go at distilling
            > about
            > > > 25 litres of 30% stripped beer. It took about 50 minutes with my
            > 3Kw
            > > > heater to get up to a boil, I had set the reflux condensor to
            > about
            > > > 500ml / min as per Tony's recent post on setup and waited for the
            > > > temperature to rise, but it would not go above 25c at the top of
            > the
            > > > still even though I could hear a very strong boiling noise in the
            > > > boiler and a gurgling sound in the still itself.
            > > >
            > > > So I switched off the boiler in case liquid was being pushed up
            > the
            > > > condensor tube (42mm). I then started up again, still no
            > temperature
            > > > increase at the top (20c) with 500ml/min through the reflux
            > > > condensor, so I reduced the water flow and the temperature
            > started to
            > > > rise (and so did the water temperature out of the condensor, which
            > > > was hot, but not so hot that I could not put my finger in it) and
            > the
            > > > temperature started to rise to about 49c. Whilst I was watching
            > the
            > > > temperature increase I hadn't noticed liquid pouring out of the
            > > > output tube, I propped a measure under it and in about 2 minutes
            > had
            > > > 250ml of distillate, the temperature was moving around 49ish C. I
            > > > tried to increase the water flow in the reflux condensor and
            > turned
            > > > it up to full ( I estimate that would be 3-4litres per minute, but
            > > > could n't stop liquid being condensed, so again I switched the
            > boiler
            > > > off. Whilst all this was going on, I am still having some vapour
            > > > escaping frm the boiler lid. Have I too many ss scrubbers (17)in
            > the
            > > > 1.2m tube, is this cuaing too much pressur eto build up in the
            > still?
            > > >
            > > > I checked the liquid that I had collected - it is 92% alcohol,
            > > > doesn't smell of anything (certainly not acetone) and a licked
            > finger
            > > > is tasteless except of alcohol (more the sensation on the tongue
            > than
            > > > the taste)
            > > >
            > > > Please help, what have I done wrong??
            > > >
            > > > regards
            > > > Ron
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
            > > > new_distillers-unsubscribe@onelist.com
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
            > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
            > > >
            > > >
            >
            >
            >
            > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
            > new_distillers-unsubscribe@onelist.com
            >
            >
            >
            > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
            >
            >
          • Tony & Elle Ackland
            Ron,I ve had another look at your photos (in the photos section at www.yahoogroups.com) , and your description in posting #1130, and I m confused.Could
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              Ron,

              I've had another look at your photos (in the photos section at
              www.yahoogroups.com) , and your description in posting #1130, and I'm
              confused.

              Could you please explain your still setup & how you're using it ? It
              appears to be a hybrid of a couple of designs

              As I seem to understand it ...
              You have a boiler, with a 1.2m x 42mm diam column vertically off it.
              Above that, you have a further 70cm which has a reflux condensor in it
              To the side is a second condensor & offtake ?
              Whats the other little leg on the far right ?

              But I cant work out where the cooling water flows go, or the vapour path -
              can you please describe them in more detail.

              Do you intend for most of the vapour to go up to the first reflux condensor
              in the top 70cm, and get condensed to drip back down into the column.
              You'll be controlling the amount of water to this coil, to ensure that not
              all the vapour gets condensed, but that some (say 1 in 5) will get past, to
              go over the top, and get condensed in the second condensor & kept ? Sorta
              like that drawn in option (2) of
              http:\\homedistiller.org\graphics\condensors.gif ??

              You've confused me by calling the second condensor a Nixon-Stone one.
              Thats because the NS operates slightly differently, by condensing all the
              vapour in one location, then managing the proportions of liquid that get
              kept & refluxed (by throttling the offtake, and overflowing the remainder).
              (See the photos in http:\\homedistiller.org\photos-ns.htm , or option (3)
              of the first diagram)

              Whereabouts is your thermometer mounted ? Above the first condensor, on
              the way to the second one ?

              The 500mL/min I talk about is with the NS setup - where I'm trying to
              condense all the vapour. If you put that much through just your primary
              reflux coil, then you're likely to get none of it passing over to the
              second one.

              If you can describe the vapour paths & cooling water route I might get a
              better idea of whats going on.
              Maybe draw a wee diagram ??

              Tony
            • Bposs112@aol.com
              my personal opion is that you have to many scrubbs. and marbles if you use them ive been there and done that. i have cut mine back to almost nothing. and it
              Message 6 of 15 , Nov 6, 2001
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                my personal opion  is that you have to many scrubbs. and marbles if you use them ive been there and done that. i have cut mine back to almost nothing. and it has made things much easier.. good luck
              • hal031235@hotmail.com
                Thanks I ll give it a go. I ve been thinking about it and t make sense that if I have surging of the liquid distillate due to the large numbers of scrubbers as
                Message 7 of 15 , Nov 6, 2001
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                  Thanks I'll give it a go.

                  I've been thinking about it and t make sense that if I have surging
                  of the liquid distillate due to the large numbers of scrubbers as
                  well as increasing the pressure in the boiler causing the leakage I
                  am getting.

                  Tomorrow I will reduce it from 17 to 14 and see what happens

                  thanks for the advice

                  Ron
                  --- In new_distillers@y..., Bposs112@a... wrote:
                  > my personal opion is that you have to many scrubbs. and marbles if
                  you use
                  > them ive been there and done that. i have cut mine back to almost
                  nothing.
                  > and it has made things much easier.. good luck
                • hal031235@hotmail.com
                  Thanks a lot - it works!! I tried 14 then 11 scrubbers and it works great, no leaks (less pressure) and 94% alcohol as I speak pouring forth! Didn t get much
                  Message 8 of 15 , Nov 7, 2001
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                    Thanks a lot - it works!!

                    I tried 14 then 11 scrubbers and it works great, no leaks (less
                    pressure) and 94% alcohol as I speak pouring forth!

                    Didn't get much in the way of heads, but since this is my 5th attempt
                    I imagine lots of things have boiled off in previous attempts. The
                    valve I am using for controlling water flow is not sensitive enought
                    to control the temperature, kind of off / on. I will look for a 15mm
                    needle valve to replace it

                    thanks Bposs

                    regards
                    Ron

                    --- In new_distillers@y..., hal031235@h... wrote:
                    > Thanks I'll give it a go.
                    >
                    > I've been thinking about it and t make sense that if I have surging
                    > of the liquid distillate due to the large numbers of scrubbers as
                    > well as increasing the pressure in the boiler causing the leakage I
                    > am getting.
                    >
                    > Tomorrow I will reduce it from 17 to 14 and see what happens
                    >
                    > thanks for the advice
                    >
                    > Ron
                    > --- In new_distillers@y..., Bposs112@a... wrote:
                    > > my personal opion is that you have to many scrubbs. and marbles
                    if
                    > you use
                    > > them ive been there and done that. i have cut mine back to almost
                    > nothing.
                    > > and it has made things much easier.. good luck
                  • Bposs112@aol.com
                    YOUR WELCOME
                    Message 9 of 15 , Nov 7, 2001
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                      YOUR WELCOME
                    • hal031235@hotmail.com
                      Hi Tony ... I m confused. Could you please explain your still setup & how you re using it ? It appears to be a hybrid of a couple of designs Yes, it is a
                      Message 10 of 15 , Nov 14, 2001
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                        Hi Tony

                        Here is some answers:

                        --- In new_distillers@y..., Tony & Elle Ackland <Tony.Ackland@c...>
                        wrote:
                        > Ron,
                        >
                        > I've had another look at your photos (in the photos section at
                        > www.yahoogroups.com) , and your description in posting #1130, and
                        I'm confused. Could you please explain your still setup & how you're
                        using it ? It appears to be a hybrid of a couple of designs

                        Yes, it is a hybrid of some of the designs from your web site, a
                        combination of a coiled reflux design with a secondary NS condenser.

                        > As I seem to understand it ...
                        > You have a boiler, with a 1.2m x 42mm diam column vertically off it.
                        > Above that, you have a further 70cm which has a reflux condenser in
                        it to the side is a second condenser & offtake ?

                        Yes, the first is a coil in the 70cm section, the second condenser is
                        the NS design from your site, except it is "upside down" with a
                        couple of extra pieces to allow the distillate flow to be contained.

                        > Whats the other little leg on the far right ?

                        The other little leg is the vapour outlet, I made it large in
                        diameter to there it would match the vapour path all the way through
                        the still, ie not be a constraint, also, so that if I added a valve
                        on the 8mm outflow, I could measure the distillate volume by shutting
                        the valve and then releasing the distillate after measurement.

                        > But I can't work out where the cooling water flows go, or the
                        vapour path - can you please describe them in more detail.

                        The flow is in through the top valves and out throught the bottom.
                        Right to the reflux coil, left to the NS condensor. Taking advice
                        from your site you said cool water should enter at the point
                        furtherest away from the vapour flow, which it does for the coil
                        condensor. Since the NS condensor is "upside-down" although the water
                        enters at the top, it actually comes in contact with vapour flow at
                        the "bottom" last, i.e its coldest at the bottom, since it passes
                        down a tube to the base and then back up where the wall of the
                        cooling water. But since its sole purpose is to condense the vapour
                        that I wish to "drink" it really doesn't matter!

                        > Do you intend for most of the vapour to go up to the first reflux
                        condensor in the top 70cm, and get condensed to drip back down into
                        the column.

                        Exactly.

                        > You'll be controlling the amount of water to this coil, to ensure
                        that not all the vapour gets condensed, but that some (say 1 in 5)
                        will get past, to go over the top, and get condensed in the second
                        condensor & kept ? Sorta like that drawn in option (2) of
                        http:\\homedistiller.org\graphics\condensors.gif ??

                        Exactly again, that's where I got the idea from. The only change I
                        would make is that the valve that controls the water flow to the
                        reflux condensor isn't "fine" enough in its control. I need a needle
                        valve, but haven't found a 15mm valve suitable as yet, so there was a
                        bit of mcuking about to get the reflux right.


                        > You've confused me by calling the second condensor a Nixon-Stone
                        one. Thats because the NS operates slightly differently, by
                        condensing all the vapour in one location, then managing the
                        proportions of liquid that get kept & refluxed (by throttling the
                        offtake, and overflowing the remainder).

                        (See the photos in http:\\homedistiller.org\photos-ns.htm , or option
                        (3) of the first diagram)

                        I meant that it was an NS design condensor, that is jsy the condensor
                        not the reflux mechanism, again from your site. I decided against
                        managing the proportion of liquid back because I was concerned
                        by "flooding" the condensors ability to condense the alcohol vapour
                        and vapour escaping. Having now actually run the still it probably is
                        over engineered and I could have done it that way.

                        > Whereabouts is your thermometer mounted ? Above the first
                        condensor, on the way to the second one ?
                        >
                        Yes, I have a digital thermometer probe at the top of the first
                        column.

                        > The 500mL/min I talk about is with the NS setup - where I'm trying
                        to condense all the vapour. If you put that much through just your
                        primary reflux coil, then you're likely to get none of it passing
                        over to the second one.

                        Yes, you're right. To get total reflux 500ml/min was more than enough
                        when I got the SS packing density right to stop surging through the
                        column. When I was refluxing enough to get 94%, it was a lot less, I
                        didn't measure it, but it was probably 200ml or less.
                        >
                        > If you can describe the vapour paths & cooling water route I might
                        get a better idea of whats going on. Maybe draw a wee diagram ??

                        Happy to draw one out, I will post it in a couple of days.

                        thanks for all your help, other are selling lesser designs and ideas
                        all over the web that you are generously giving away.

                        I would say the the design produced 7 litres of 94%+ ethanol in
                        3hours flawlessly and a monkey could run it if I had a needle valve
                        on the water flow control (one probably was running it, just no one
                        has broken me the bad news as yet!!)


                        regards
                        Ron
                      • hal031235@hotmail.com
                        Hi Tony I have now uploaded a design drawing in the same section as the photos of my still, hope it makes more sense now. What do you think? regards Ron ...
                        Message 11 of 15 , Nov 15, 2001
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                          Hi Tony
                          I have now uploaded a design drawing in the same section as the
                          photos of my still, hope it makes more sense now.

                          What do you think?
                          regards
                          Ron
                          --- In new_distillers@y..., Tony & Elle Ackland <Tony.Ackland@c...>
                          wrote:
                          > Ron,
                          >
                          > I've had another look at your photos (in the photos section at
                          > www.yahoogroups.com) , and your description in posting #1130, and
                          I'm
                          > confused.
                          >
                          > Could you please explain your still setup & how you're using it ?
                          It
                          > appears to be a hybrid of a couple of designs
                          >
                          > As I seem to understand it ...
                          > You have a boiler, with a 1.2m x 42mm diam column vertically off it.
                          > Above that, you have a further 70cm which has a reflux condensor in
                          it
                          > To the side is a second condensor & offtake ?
                          > Whats the other little leg on the far right ?
                          >
                          > But I cant work out where the cooling water flows go, or the vapour
                          path -
                          > can you please describe them in more detail.
                          >
                          > Do you intend for most of the vapour to go up to the first reflux
                          condensor
                          > in the top 70cm, and get condensed to drip back down into the
                          column.
                          > You'll be controlling the amount of water to this coil, to ensure
                          that not
                          > all the vapour gets condensed, but that some (say 1 in 5) will get
                          past, to
                          > go over the top, and get condensed in the second condensor &
                          kept ? Sorta
                          > like that drawn in option (2) of
                          > http:\\homedistiller.org\graphics\condensors.gif ??
                          >
                          > You've confused me by calling the second condensor a Nixon-Stone
                          one.
                          > Thats because the NS operates slightly differently, by condensing
                          all the
                          > vapour in one location, then managing the proportions of liquid
                          that get
                          > kept & refluxed (by throttling the offtake, and overflowing the
                          remainder).
                          > (See the photos in http:\\homedistiller.org\photos-ns.htm , or
                          option (3)
                          > of the first diagram)
                          >
                          > Whereabouts is your thermometer mounted ? Above the first
                          condensor, on
                          > the way to the second one ?
                          >
                          > The 500mL/min I talk about is with the NS setup - where I'm trying
                          to
                          > condense all the vapour. If you put that much through just your
                          primary
                          > reflux coil, then you're likely to get none of it passing over to
                          the
                          > second one.
                          >
                          > If you can describe the vapour paths & cooling water route I might
                          get a
                          > better idea of whats going on.
                          > Maybe draw a wee diagram ??
                          >
                          > Tony
                        • Leslie Rogers
                          ... wrote: Ron, I ve had another look at your photos (in the photos section at
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                            Ron,<BR>
                            <BR>
                            I've had another look at your photos (in the photos
                            section at <BR>
                            www.yahoogroups.com) , and your description in posting
                            #1130, and I'm <BR>
                            confused.<BR>
                            <BR>
                            Could you please explain your still setup & how
                            you're using it ?  It <BR>
                            appears to be a hybrid of a couple of designs<BR>
                            <BR>
                            As I seem to understand it ...<BR>
                            You have a boiler, with a 1.2m x 42mm diam column
                            vertically off it.<BR>
                            Above that, you have a further 70cm which has a reflux
                            condensor in it<BR>
                            To the side is a second condensor & offtake ?<BR>
                            Whats the other little leg on the far right ?<BR>
                            <BR>
                            But I cant work out where the cooling water flows go,
                            or the vapour path - <BR>
                            can you please describe them in more detail.<BR>
                            <BR>
                            Do you intend for most of the vapour to go up to the
                            first reflux condensor <BR>
                            in the top 70cm, and get condensed to drip back down
                            into the column. <BR>
                            You'll be controlling the amount of water to this
                            coil, to ensure that not <BR>
                            all the vapour gets condensed, but that some (say 1 in
                            5) will get past, to <BR>
                            go over the top, and get condensed in the second
                            condensor & kept ?  Sorta <BR>
                            like that drawn in option (2) of <BR>
                            http:\\homedistiller.org\graphics\condensors.gif 
                            ??<BR>
                            <BR>
                            You've confused me by calling the second condensor a
                            Nixon-Stone one. <BR>
                            Thats because the NS operates slightly differently,
                            by condensing all the <BR>
                            vapour in one location, then managing the proportions
                            of liquid that get <BR>
                            kept & refluxed (by throttling the offtake, and
                            overflowing the remainder). <BR>
                            (See the photos in
                            http:\\homedistiller.org\photos-ns.htm , or option (3)
                            <BR>
                            of the first diagram)<BR>
                            <BR>
                            Whereabouts is your thermometer mounted ?  Above
                            the first condensor, on <BR>
                            the way to the second one ?<BR>
                            <BR>
                            The 500mL/min I talk about is with the NS setup -
                            where I'm trying to <BR>
                            condense all the vapour.  If you put that much
                            through just your primary <BR>
                            reflux coil, then you're likely to get none of it
                            passing over to the <BR>
                            second one.<BR>
                            <BR>
                            If you can describe the vapour paths & cooling
                            water route I might get a <BR>
                            better idea of whats going on.<BR>
                            Maybe draw a wee diagram ??<BR>
                            <BR>
                            Tony<BR>
                            <BR>
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                          • Tony & Elle Ackland
                            Ron, ... Thanks - thats cleared it up for me. As pointed out earlier, its going to come down to carefully controlling the amount of reflux, via the flowrate of
                            Message 13 of 15 , Nov 16, 2001
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                              Ron,

                              > I have now uploaded a design drawing in the same section as the
                              > photos of my still, hope it makes more sense now.
                              > What do you think?

                              Thanks - thats cleared it up for me.

                              As pointed out earlier, its going to come down to carefully controlling the
                              amount of reflux, via the flowrate of cooling water there (and the
                              temperature of that water), but provided you keep an eye on the collection
                              rate, you should have a good feel for how much is being returned.

                              You're now having sucess with less/looser packing ?

                              Tony
                            • hal031235@hotmail.com
                              H Tony I ve come to the conclusion that not all (pot) scrubbers are created equal and I must have been using larger ones? regards Ron ... controlling the ...
                              Message 14 of 15 , Nov 16, 2001
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                                H Tony

                                I've come to the conclusion that not all (pot) scrubbers are created
                                equal and I must have been using larger ones?

                                regards
                                Ron

                                --- In new_distillers@y..., Tony & Elle Ackland <Tony.Ackland@c...>
                                wrote:
                                > Ron,
                                >
                                > > I have now uploaded a design drawing in the same section as the
                                > > photos of my still, hope it makes more sense now.
                                > > What do you think?
                                >
                                > Thanks - thats cleared it up for me.
                                >
                                > As pointed out earlier, its going to come down to carefully
                                controlling the
                                > amount of reflux, via the flowrate of cooling water there (and the
                                > temperature of that water), but provided you keep an eye on the
                                collection
                                > rate, you should have a good feel for how much is being returned.
                                >
                                > You're now having sucess with less/looser packing ?
                                >
                                > Tony
                              • D. C.
                                Hi all: A couple days ago Tony had made a comment about a new book. It can be found at:
                                Message 15 of 15 , Nov 16, 2001
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                                  Hi all:

                                  A couple days ago Tony had made a comment about a new book. It can be found
                                  at:

                                  http://www.amphora-society.com/The_Compleat_Distiller/the_compleat_distiller
                                  .html

                                  I'm writing to tell you that I purchased the book, and it is one of the most
                                  complete distilling books that I have come across so far. Just about
                                  everything under the sun about distilling is in this book. I highly
                                  recommend purchasing this book. If you only are able to buy one book, this
                                  should be it.

                                  I even had some issues (my problem, not theirs) buying the book, and Mike
                                  Nixon was kind enough to go out of his way to correct the problem (again, it
                                  was my problem, not theirs) to make sure that I was happy. So, customer
                                  service is the best that I have seen in a long time.

                                  I just thought that I would pass along my thoughts about the book incase
                                  anyone was thinking about buying it.

                                  Your Brother in Magick,
                                  David M. Cunningham
                                  email@...

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