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  • Andrew Marsh
    Talk to you soon! Rachael ... From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 3:12 AM Subject:
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      Talk to you soon!

      Rachael
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      Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 3:12 AM
      Subject: [new_distillers] Digest Number 320


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      > There are 6 messages in this issue.
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      > Topics in this digest:
      >
      > 1. Re: Q?s: Electric element for heating?
      > From: slacker75@...
      > 2. RE: Re: Q?s: Electric element for heating?
      > From: "Ackland, Tony (CALNZAS)"
      <Tony.Ackland@...>
      > 3. maiden run complete
      > From: "Michael Spottswood" <mikespotts@...>
      > 4. Almost a still
      > From: distiller@...
      > 5. Almost a still
      > From: distiller@...
      > 6. Almost a still
      > From: distiller@...
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      > Message: 1
      > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:39:18 -0000
      > From: slacker75@...
      > Subject: Re: Q?s: Electric element for heating?
      >
      > Tony,
      > I'm afraid my column is a very small diameter! it's only 28mm
      > (probably about 1" ID). A while back i asked if this column was too
      > small, and everyone seemed to think it would be ok, just slow. I'm
      > pretty sure a 3Kw element would flood this diam!
      >
      > -tone
      >
      > --- In new_distillers@y..., "Ackland, Tony (CALNZAS)"
      > <Tony.Ackland@c...> wrote:
      > > Tone,
      > >
      > > I've quite happily run their design, with a 1.5" diameter column,
      > with 1800W
      > > heat input. Scaling this up (based on cross-sectional area), a 2"
      > column
      > > should be ok with 3200W. Note however that this requires a packing
      > with
      > > very high voidage (e.g. stainless steel scrubbers) - you've never
      > achieve it
      > > with say marbles or raschig rings for packing.
      > >
      > > These larger sizes have the huge benefit of reducing the distilling
      > time. I
      > > can process 25L of wash, and collect 95%+ spirit, in four hours.
      > >
      > > Tony
      >
      >
      >
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      > Message: 2
      > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 20:04:33 -0000
      > From: "Ackland, Tony (CALNZAS)" <Tony.Ackland@...>
      > Subject: RE: Re: Q?s: Electric element for heating?
      >
      > Tone,
      >
      > Sorry - didn't have your original post re 1" diameter. I'd assumed you'd
      > built it as per their recomendations of 1.25" or 1.5" (and some have
      upped
      > it to 2"). Scaling my 1800W per 1.5" down to 1" would suggest approx 800W
      > as being suitable, or 1250W for 1.25" You're right - this will be quite
      > slow.
      >
      > Its the 2" that i reckon can do 3kW. Sorry for any confusion over that.
      >
      > Note that my scalings are only based on one example which I've found to
      work
      > for me. I haven't tried the other sizes; the various emails on these
      > discussion groups show that quite a range of different sizes and heat
      inputs
      > work well. So there's quite a bit of latitude in what should be OK.
      >
      > I use to run a 1" column (briefly) myself - with 1380W. This was too much
      > power for it, and it would flood very easily. Would it run ok with 1100W
      > was your question ? I think it would still be touch and go, but possible.
      > You'd need to ensure that you haven't packed the scrubbers in too densly,
      > and that you keep them really clean (backflush with boiling water before &
      > after every use).
      >
      > Tony
      >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: slacker75@... [mailto:slacker75@...]
      > > Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2001 03:39
      > > To: new_distillers@yahoogroups.com
      > > Subject: [new_distillers] Re: Q?s: Electric element for heating?
      > >
      > >
      > > Tony,
      > > I'm afraid my column is a very small diameter! it's only 28mm
      > > (probably about 1" ID). A while back i asked if this column was too
      > > small, and everyone seemed to think it would be ok, just slow. I'm
      > > pretty sure a 3Kw element would flood this diam!
      > >
      > > -tone
      > >
      > > --- In new_distillers@y..., "Ackland, Tony (CALNZAS)"
      > > <Tony.Ackland@c...> wrote:
      > > > Tone,
      > > >
      > > > I've quite happily run their design, with a 1.5" diameter column,
      > > with 1800W
      > > > heat input. Scaling this up (based on cross-sectional area), a 2"
      > > column
      > > > should be ok with 3200W. Note however that this requires a packing
      > > with
      > > > very high voidage (e.g. stainless steel scrubbers) - you've never
      > > achieve it
      > > > with say marbles or raschig rings for packing.
      > > >
      > > > These larger sizes have the huge benefit of reducing the distilling
      > > time. I
      > > > can process 25L of wash, and collect 95%+ spirit, in four hours.
      > > >
      > > > Tony
      > >
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      > Message: 3
      > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 23:07:05 -0500
      > From: "Michael Spottswood" <mikespotts@...>
      > Subject: maiden run complete
      >
      > Hello all:
      > Just thought I would share my joy of finally making my first run with my
      > reflux column. I ran about 2 gallons of water through a 20 quart pot
      which
      > has a copper line running diagonally up to my reflux column that is
      mounted
      > on a 2X4 board that is cemented into the earth.(sorry for the run-on
      > sentence) It is a monster.(I hope my neighbors are not too nosey) It
      took
      > about 2 hours. On my initial run, I ran it without any packing to clean
      out
      > all of the tubing. One thing that had me puzzled was the cooling. In the
      > entire time I ran the still, I only put about 2 gallons of cooling water
      > through. The water that was coming out of the condensor was steaming.
      Any
      > more would stop output, any less would let the output vapor out. Is this
      > normal? I certainly thought reflux wouldn't start without any packing. I
      > am going to make one more run with water then make one nonconsumable run
      > with wash using the packing. I have a 2 inch column and am wondering if
      pot
      > scrubbers will fit past the cooling tubes. I have not yet purchased a
      > hydrometer, fermenter tank, or thermometer. Any suggestions for a
      specific
      > type of these apparati and US distributor of these things would be
      > appreciated.
      > Thanks to all of you who have helped me up to this point.
      >
      > 73s and regards
      > Mike
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      > Message: 4
      > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 06:58:32 -0000
      > From: distiller@...
      > Subject: Almost a still
      >
      > Hi again everyone,
      >
      > OK. Heres where I'm at - I've got all the bits, and they a ready to
      > be put together, now I just want to check no-one thinks I should
      > modify anything before I actually solder it together on Thursday.
      >
      > I'm building a Nixon/Stone design, from the 'How to make pure corn
      > whiskey' book by Ian Smiley. I've scaled up the size a little - here
      > are the details:
      >
      > Column. Is made from 2" Copper, and is 1200 long. I've put a bsp
      > tube join between the column and head, which is made from brass, so I
      > caneasily remove the head. At the bottom of the column, there is
      > another 2" brass bsp tube fitting, which goes into the stainless
      > steel socket welded to the top of the boiler - so I can remove the
      > comumn as well.
      >
      > Boiler. The boiler is a 60L 316 Stainless drum, which Jan put me on
      > to (thanks Jan!!!!), and I'll put 2 1380 watt elements in it, both
      > used to heat up, only one for boiling.
      >
      > Head. Again made from 2" copper. At the T, there is a 180mm
      > horizontal section, going to the elbow, then a 370mm verticle section
      > for the condenser to go in. On the top of the T, 50mm of tube, then
      > a tube cap, with a 40mm 3/8" copper pipe, attatched to a series of
      > compression fittings and adapters, eventually to hold the 3mm
      > stainless steel probe of the digital thermometer. At the bottom of
      > the elbow, anothe 3/8" 40mm copper pipe is soldered to take the
      > product down through th needle valve, and eventually to the waiting
      > mouths!
      >
      > All the brass has been treated to get rid of surface lead.
      >
      > I've put some photos in the files section, to show it all a bit
      > clearer:
      >
      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/new_distillers/files/Matt/stillheadpart
      > s.jpg> - The head
      >
      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/new_distillers/files/Matt/31660lssdrum.
      > jpg> - The 60L boiler
      >
      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/new_distillers/files/Matt/columnbottomp
      > arts.jpg> - The bottom of the column
      >
      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/new_distillers/files/Matt/headandcolumn
      > .jpg> - A composite of two photos to show the entire column/head.
      >
      > All I want to check is that everything is 100% right, 'cause I can
      > change it now, but I can't easily later!
      >
      > Thanks,
      >
      > Matt
      >
      >
      >
      >
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      > ________________________________________________________________________
      >
      > Message: 5
      > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 06:53:15 -0000
      > From: distiller@...
      > Subject: Almost a still
      >
      > Hi again everyone,
      >
      > OK. Heres where I'm at - I've got all the bits, and they a ready to
      > be put together, now I just want to check no-one thinks I should
      > modify anything before I actually solder it together on Thursday.
      >
      > I'm building a Nixon/Stone design, from the 'How to make pure corn
      > whiskey' book by Ian Smiley. I've scaled up the size a little - here
      > are the details:
      >
      > Column. Is made from 2" Copper, and is 1200 long. I've put a bsp
      > tube join between the column and head, which is made from brass, so I
      > caneasily remove the head. At the bottom of the column, there is
      > another 2" brass bsp tube fitting, which goes into the stainless
      > steel socket welded to the top of the boiler - so I can remove the
      > comumn as well.
      >
      > Boiler. The boiler is a 60L 316 Stainless drum, which Jan put me on
      > to (thanks Jan!!!!), and I'll put 2 1380 watt elements in it, both
      > used to heat up, only one for boiling.
      >
      > Head. Again made from 2" copper. At the T, there is a 180mm
      > horizontal section, going to the elbow, then a 370mm verticle section
      > for the condenser to go in. On the top of the T, 50mm of tube, then
      > a tube cap, with a 40mm 3/8" copper pipe, attatched to a series of
      > compression fittings and adapters, eventually to hold the 3mm
      > stainless steel probe of the digital thermometer. At the bottom of
      > the elbow, anothe 3/8" 40mm copper pipe is soldered to take the
      > product down through th needle valve, and eventually to the waiting
      > mouths!
      >
      > All the brass has been treated to get rid of surface lead.
      >
      > I've put some photos in the files section, to show it all a bit
      > clearer:
      >
      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/new_distillers/files/Matt/stillheadpart
      > s.jpg> - The head
      >
      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/new_distillers/files/Matt/31660lssdrum.
      > jpg> - The 60L boiler
      >
      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/new_distillers/files/Matt/columnbottomp
      > arts.jpg> - The bottom of the column
      >
      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/new_distillers/files/Matt/headandcolumn
      > .jpg> - A composite of two photos to show the entire column/head.
      >
      > All I want to check is that everything is 100% right, 'cause I can
      > change it now, but I can't easily later!
      >
      > Thanks,
      >
      > Matt
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > ________________________________________________________________________
      > ________________________________________________________________________
      >
      > Message: 6
      > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 07:07:26 -0000
      > From: distiller@...
      > Subject: Almost a still
      >
      > Apologies if this comes through multiple times (eventually!) - I've
      > sent this twice, and its not showing up on the messages index....
      >
      > Hi again everyone,
      >
      > OK. Heres where I'm at - I've got all the bits, and they a ready to
      > be put together, now I just want to check no-one thinks I should
      > modify anything before I actually solder it together on Thursday.
      >
      > I'm building a Nixon/Stone design, from the 'How to make pure corn
      > whiskey' book by Ian Smiley. I've scaled up the size a little - here
      > are the details:
      >
      > Column. Is made from 2" Copper, and is 1200 long. I've put a bsp
      > tube join between the column and head, which is made from brass, so I
      > caneasily remove the head. At the bottom of the column, there is
      > another 2" brass bsp tube fitting, which goes into the stainless
      > steel socket welded to the top of the boiler - so I can remove the
      > comumn as well.
      >
      > Boiler. The boiler is a 60L 316 Stainless drum, which Jan put me on
      > to (thanks Jan!!!!), and I'll put 2 1380 watt elements in it, both
      > used to heat up, only one for boiling.
      >
      > Head. Again made from 2" copper. At the T, there is a 180mm
      > horizontal section, going to the elbow, then a 370mm verticle section
      > for the condenser to go in. On the top of the T, 50mm of tube, then
      > a tube cap, with a 40mm 3/8" copper pipe, attatched to a series of
      > compression fittings and adapters, eventually to hold the 3mm
      > stainless steel probe of the digital thermometer. At the bottom of
      > the elbow, anothe 3/8" 40mm copper pipe is soldered to take the
      > product down through th needle valve, and eventually to the waiting
      > mouths!
      >
      > All the brass has been treated to get rid of surface lead.
      >
      > I've put some photos in the files section, to show it all a bit
      > clearer:
      >
      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/new_distillers/files/Matt/stillheadpart
      > s.jpg> - The head
      >
      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/new_distillers/files/Matt/31660lssdrum.
      > jpg> - The 60L boiler
      >
      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/new_distillers/files/Matt/columnbottomp
      > arts.jpg> - The bottom of the column
      >
      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/new_distillers/files/Matt/headandcolumn
      > .jpg> - A composite of two photos to show the entire column/head.
      >
      > All I want to check is that everything is 100% right, 'cause I can
      > change it now, but I can't easily later!
      >
      > Thanks,
      >
      > Matt
      >
      >
      >
      >
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