39206Re: [new_distillers] Re: Confused
- Aug 10 7:36 PMyup...i know of a few masters or experienced distillers who are very exceptional that the amount of heads can be reduced or even completely eliminated and sometimes for pungent-smelling mashes, the switching to the heart occurs at a later point.perhaps, only time , preparation and patience can lead us to this skill and we are very lucky to have our new_distillers moderators in guiding us on how to...my switching moment criteria is to collect distillates in amounts of say 200ml and just continuosly taste it....it is ,however, necessary to have a hydrometer to confirm the choices to be made. the alcohol grade strength serves as a guide for switching to the tails...best regards...
--- On Tue, 8/10/10, jamesonbeam1 <jamesonbeam1@...> wrote:
From: jamesonbeam1 <jamesonbeam1@...>
Subject: [new_distillers] Re: Confused
Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 9:54 PM
No problem. That joke about distillus interuptus was just a silly one
between ZB and I since he coined that expression (from coitus
interruptus) which makes one onery on both counts.
Nothing personal against you. However, it does sound like your still
does have mucho internal relfux which might explain the lack of flavors,
smells and high ABV in the first part of your run or heads. I had a
vertical riser and horizontal lyne arme that then went straight down to
the condenser and was getting 160 proof heads from a 14% distillation.
When I changed it to a 45 degree angle down to the condenser, it changed
to 120 proof heads which is more inline with pot still calculations.
I think now the main reason for the confusion is your relying too
heavily on the head temperature of your still. After you become more
experienced, you start relying less on head temps and more on the taste
and smell of the distillate as I do (very rarely ever use a thermometer
now). The head temp is totally dependant on the ABV of your
fermentation, whether it is a 10% or 16% ABV. Heck, at high ABV in your
pot, you could still be in the Heads when the temp says 176F. Sort of
like the old story of 3 blind people feeling an elephant, one feeling
the trunk saying it a tree, one feeling the tail, saying its a snake and
one feeling the side and saying its a wall. You really need to take all
the variables into consideration, especally sight, taste and smell.
I still strongly suggest you do a spirits run and combine everything
you have from both runs, but collect in smaller quantities, then do the
taste and smell test and make your cuts.
Vino es Veritas,
Jim aka Waldo.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Royce Thigpen <fireside58@...>
> I guess that trying to save space and face, I neglected to put in the
> information.Â I am using a very small copper pot still that has
> reflux action in it.Â Unintentional.Â But it is what it is.Â
My heat source is a
> gas burner adjustable from almost out to quite hot.Â IÂ started
with a wash of
> about 9 or 10%.Â I gotÂ rid of the first 100 ml or so and
started collecting.Â I
> realize I left some alcohol in the boiler.Â Unavoidable last
night.Â I am still
> aÂ little confused about the hearts though.Â Â In reading,
taking things a little
> literal, I was under the impression that the hearts come out at the
> range of 176 degrees.Â Anything before outÂ and anythingÂ
afterÂ were typically
> headed for the next run.Â At 70% off the still, there is hardly
any nose and
> quite a burn to the taste.Â At 45% there isÂ a good noseÂ
but a undesirable
> taste.Â To me anyhow.Â I know there is something in between, I
just don't know
> what it is yet.Â I don't know if I am too literal or just don't
> However, I really appreciate youÂ folks for responding and willing
> advise and guidance.
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