Re: Thank you MsJoe for your response 'the joe lieberman project'.
- Hello Kunle:
Thanks for your acknowledgment. I came on the net to retrieve a Happy New Year message and I am including yours in the goodwill messages. The whole idea is for us, Africans, to start thinking prospectively and strategically toward an endgame; not swept emotionally on issues when we can't even define what our own issue are / should be in the whole matter.
Thanks again, Happy New Year.
Mr. Moderator, Mayor Matto, Happy New Year to you and your family.
In a message dated 12/31/2002 12:39:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, kunle101@... writes:
Subj: Thank you MsJoe for your response 'the joe lieberman project'.
Date: 12/31/2002 12:39:42 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: kunle101@... (Kunle R)
I thank you very much for this beautifully written
response to 'the joe lieberman project'. Comments
from people like you make this 'chat-group' worth the
pain and time spent on this group. Once again, I
thank you for your well thought out response.
I thank you Mr. Moderator for another good year
'2002'. I hope next year 2003 will be another
informative and enlightening year.
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:39:01 EST
Subject: The Joe Lieberman Project
Hello, hello Africanas:
Joe Lieberman is not electable. If the dems donkeys
want to make him
erectable as a standard bearer, he is easily ejectable
as the executable GW,
our War Whiff president, only has to say "hey,"
and Joe Lieberman will
say, "me, too!"
In this case, we will not even have two different
animals to choose from. We
will have one real elephant and one elephant wannabe,
two intestines from the
same stomach. And we have this old African proverb to
remind us that, "when
two elephants fight, only the grass suffers."
But whatever is being fought for, Africans with a
commanding oligopoly on the
academic (no practical action) have perfected the art
of being grass, arguing
about other peoples' fight. This email is a perfect
example of our perfection
So what if Joe Lieberman wants or do not want a
Palestinian State, if we have
neither the clue, organization nor backbone to be
players in what can and
cannot happen, except be the grasshoppers and talking
crickets in the process
of describing events? How, in the name of politics,
position in the Middle East influence an African vote?
The last time the Jews
had real permanent interest in Africa was when they
were shopping for a
homeland and they thought about the Congo region.
Today, does anybody have an
inkling what the African-Jew relations should be? That
would be more
instructive than Lieberman's pet project.
We have two vagabond Africans, Charles Taylor of
Liberia and Blaise Compoare
of Burkina Faso, doing incomprehensible things and
causing mayhem in West
Africa; Congo is burning; Ivory Coast may become
comatose, and I should be
more worried by what essentially amounts to an Arab
world's chess game with
the West? The Saudi government with direct hand on
terrorism feeds its
population, while Africa goes starving. Recently,
Nigerian women, out of
despair and hopelessness, had to corner
air-conditioned oil executives, after
surviving canoe rides, to ask for a piece of their own
candidate is for Africa? And if this email is the
sentiment of a group, this
group should be more repentant and ought to be ashamed
for the terrorists'
use of defenseless Africa as bombing sites. What has
the killing of Africans
as collateral damage got to do with your jihad against
Israel or America?
Osama and Hamas believe the Koran is uplifted by such
cowardice? Nope, I do
think heaven and virgins await those kamikaze suicide
bombers. If so, are the
leaders who indoctrinate others to indiscriminately
kill & die allergic to heaven and virgins, which are
some of the promised rewards for being a Martyr?
Somebody must be writing from El Dorado to think Joe
okra/okoro soup should be swallowed with any relevant
garri /fufu for an African digestion.
Africa's prioritized concerns (ripple effects on
Africa) should be centered
on how Africa will become the new (alternative) dig in
oil exploitation if the Arab/West oil equation is
altered by these
synchronized and asymmetrical threats and wars. Will
the West resort to
toppling (covert actions and other shenanigans)
African leaderships that oppose their
desperation?....will America and
European Union try to play one African country against
the other with aid,
etc./destabilize the African Union to thwart unified,
resistance to their resource drive....? can we survive
the socioeconomic and
health effects of mindless environmental
degradation...? ...how can we use
the keen attention on Africa's resources as leverages,
just as Saudi Arabia
(so far), in advancing Africa's stake in global
geopolitics ...? how can we
make the multi-giants (elephant or donkey Corporate
Council on Africa) to be
financially, socially and ethically responsible to the
localities..? and how
accountable are we going to be to ensure our generated
resources go toward
sustainable indigenous empowerment and growth...?
Those pondered, who among the Internet writers know
how to take these
bargaining interests to any US hopeful in exchange of
votes or funds?
Whatever, I do not think history will look unkindly to
those sections that
explain how Africa gained from the Middle East
scenarios and how Continental
Africans abroad were vital in these realizations
In this realpolitik, it goes without saying that there
are no permanent
external friends, just permanent African interests.
Before you think
realpolitik is less than humanitarian, no one can be a
being a realist. That's having it backwards and upside
down. Having a "monkey
see, monkey do" mentality makes no sense even to
pandering politicians and
parties who expect sane and rational people to have
Yes, Palestine is a foreign policy issue and there are
organized efforts --
pro and con. But why should there be a block African
vote for a Democrat,
Republican or any candidate? Just to demonstrate
Africans have a generalized
idea on conflicts? We know that, since European
What I mean to tell you all is that, to borrow the
words of Clint Eastwood,
"frankly, my dear, I do not give a damn" about The
Lieberman's Project. He
can have five of such. If he tells me something about
Africa, he can have
six. Something like....what's in there for Africa?
Kenya made all of us proud with a peaceful, free and
fair elections. One more
country! In the end, Kenyans could not be "Bwogo-ed."
"Bwogo" is translated as "scared." Kibaki, the newly
elected president, used
the song, "Who can Bwogo me?" as his campaign theme.
Even the opposition
loved it, and all Kenyans proved "Unbwogable."
Congratulations to Uhuru
Kenyatta, the late president's son (Jomo Kenyatta),
who lost and accepted
defeat. Uhuru is only 42, and can come back in 5
years, if he is interested.
Kibaki, 71, had lost twice in 1992 and 1997. He had
been a vice president to
Arap Moi, the outgoing president, who handpicked
Kenyatta to run.
Have a nice holiday, everybody. God/Allah/Budha bless
you. Whatever your
unmentioned creed, you are equally acknowledged.
In a message dated 12/30/2002 6:13:40 AM Pacific
> The Joe Lieberman Project
> We support Joe Lieberman and we want him to come out
> so-called "palestinian" state. We could use your
help in that project.
> First some background: First section immediately
below is excerpted
> from: "Trying Out the Perilous Leap From No. 2 to
No. 1 December 24,
> 2002 By ADAM NAGOURNEY WASHINGTON, Dec. 23RD 2002 -
For more than a
> year, Senator Joseph I. Lieberman diligently
prepared for a campaign
> for president that might never begin. He delivered
11 policy speeches
> and published them in a pamphlet. He talked
endlessly to friends and
> supporters and gave television interviews offering
his views of world
> affairs. He played host to quiet dinners and
receptions for Democratic
> strategists looking for a presidential campaign to
ride, asking them
> to be ready - just in case. Just in case came in the
form of a text
> message Mr. Lieberman received a week ago Sunday on
> pocket pager from Al Gore saying that he would not
be running for
> president again in 2004. Mr. Lieberman had long said
he would not run
> if Mr. Gore did. Now, in an instant, what had had
the potential of
> being a mock exercise in presidential campaign
planning became the
> almost certain candidacy of the man looking to
inherit Mr. Gore's
> mantle, "but without the baggage," as one adviser
> Already, Mr.
> Lieberman benefits from a celebrity that exceeds
that of his
> competitors: reporters and camera crews were
lined up two-deep
> a wall outside his Senate office the day after Mr.
> disclosed his decision. This genial and generally
> Democrat from Connecticut, who came within 537 votes
of becoming vice
> president of the United States, enjoys the goodwill
of many members of
> his party, including Gore supporters who took note
of how Mr.
> Lieberman deferred his own candidacy to await Mr.
Gore's decision -
> and who now welcome the idea of Mr. Gore's No. 2
taking off on his
> own. "The president came to Washington saying he was
going to change
> the tone," Mr. Lieberman said in an interview the
other day, laying
> out part of the foundation of his likely challenge
to Mr. Bush. "But I
> think this place is as partisan - more partisan -
than it was before.
> Though he campaigned as a moderate, seeming
moderate, he really has
> governed much more from the right, particularly in
> environment and public health care matters like stem
> These are critical differences that whomever becomes
> candidate has to carry directly to the
administration." "Had I not run
> for vice president in 2000, I might be thinking of
> president in 2004," Mr. Lieberman said with a laugh.
"But my prospects
> would have been much less plausible, in all
honesty." "I guess I
> should be happy that the worst thing they can say
about you is you
> have no enemies, but . . . " Mr. Lieberman stopped
and shifted in his
> chair, his hands crossed as he sat in his spartan
seventh floor office
> on Capitol Hill. "Of course I do have enemies.
Perhaps it's about
> this: I'm not a screamer. I've been raised to
treat people with
> respect. But the fact that I may speak softly more
often than not
> doesn't mean that I don't carry a big stick." Some
Democrats said Mr.
> Lieberman was, by temperament and philosophy because
of his centrist
> appeals, the ideal candidate to put up against a
> who has been aggressively trying to win defectors
from the Democratic
> base. "The issues that he would naturally run on are
the exactly the
> issues that the Democrats have to be able to retake
in order to win
> the presidency," said Al From, the executive
director of the
> Democratic Leadership Council, the organization of
> that helped elect Bill Clinton and is likely to
rally around a
> Lieberman candidacy. "He will be strong with
national security - and
> we have to deal with our security gap. He has
strength on values. He
> has growth-oriented economics." Mr. Lieberman, who
is 60 years old,
> disputed that the party nomination inevitably goes
to the candidate on
> the left of the field, pointing to the success of
Mr. Clinton in 1992.
> He argued that the party needed to rethink what its
> for - starting off by taking clear and firm stands
on the issues of
> national security and foreign affairs. "I think the
party is open to a
> different kind of Democrat," he said. Mr. Lieberman
said that while he
> "may be more conservative, more pro-defense, more
pro-security than a
> lot of Democrats are," for the most part, he was "in
tune with the
> mainstream of my party." Mr. Lieberman sponsored the
> Act, and was at Mr. Bush's side last fall as he
pushed through a
> Congressional resolution authorizing the use of
force in Iraq. Mr.
> Lieberman would be the first Jewish major-party
nominee for president.
> It is a distinction that does not appear to worry
him. He said his
> experience of 2000 convinced him that it might not
be the handicap
> that some Democrats feared. He said he had not
encountered a single
> instance of anti-Semitism while campaigning in 2000.
"I'm not getting
> back into whether we won or not, but the fact is
that Al and I got
> more votes than any ticket in the history of any
party except Reagan
> in '84," he said. "At least from those numbers, it's
clear it didn't
> hurt." In the interview, Mr. Lieberman paused
momentarily when asked
> whether there would be a Christmas tree in a
Lieberman White House. "I
> think, because the White House is a national home,
> would,' he said. "It's a symbol." Other Democrats
suggested that the
> very fact that Mr. Lieberman is devoutly religious
could turn into a
> political plus and prove the most distinctive
element of a Lieberman
> candidacy. "Part of our problems as Democrats is
we've allowed the
> Republicans to capture the values debate, because
we're nervous about
> talking about faith as a source of values," Mr.
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