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  • Henry Fry
    Thanks,  Will watch it on A&E DVD. regards Thanks, Will watch it on A&E DVD. regards
    Message 1 of 28 , Apr 26, 2012
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      Thanks,  Will watch it on A&E DVD.

      regards
    • Mike Detlefsen
      ... Spoilers!! Mike When everything impossible has been eliminated and what remains is supernatural, then someone is lying. -Isaac Asimov, 1973
      Message 2 of 28 , Apr 26, 2012
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        On 26 Apr 2012, at 21:10 , sondrao@... wrote:



        No its not too many clients, its "Champain for One," where the girl who was born illegitimately to a wealthy father, had a child by another rich guy who hired Wolfe because he was afraid that he would be accused of killing her.  Archie was at the dinner party and he knew that she didn't commit suicide.  Actually, it turned out that the wealthy father's mean wife had poisoned the girl's drink.


        Spoilers!!


        Mike


        "When everything impossible has been eliminated and what remains is supernatural, then someone is lying."
        -Isaac Asimov, 1973

      • CE
        I have always thought this was one of the weakest books. Archie doesn t know this girl at all, she has cyanide in her purse, and she s talking to her friends
        Message 3 of 28 , Apr 27, 2012
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          I have always thought this was one of the weakest books. Archie doesn't know this girl at all, she has cyanide in her purse, and she's talking to her friends about committing suicide.  I didn't think Archie had anything to go on.
          Cecilia


          From: "sondrao@..." <sondrao@...>
          To: nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:10 PM
          Subject: Re: [NeroWolfe] Looking for a title



          No its not too many clients, its "Champain for One," where the girl who was born illegitimately to a wealthy father, had a child by another rich guy who hired Wolfe because he was afraid that he would be accused of killing her.  Archie was at the dinner party and he knew that she didn't commit suicide.  Actually, it turned out that the wealthy father's mean wife had poisoned the girl's drink.

          Thanks


          -----Original Message-----
          From: Lady Shelley
          Sent: Apr 24, 2012 9:44 PM
          To: nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [NeroWolfe] Looking for a title

           
          Too Many Clients maybe? It was one they also made for the A&E series, I think.

          --
          Shelley
          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          There is grandeur in this view of life ... from so simple a beginning
          endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are
          being, evolved. -- Charles Darwin

          http://www.redhawke.org

          On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Henry <henryfry2003@...> wrote:
          > In one book Wolfe is behind the picture listening as Archie and someone are talking in the office.  Archie says he is not paid well and later tells Wolfe he forgot he was listening.  Does anyone know which book this was?
          >
          > Thanks,
          >
          > Henry




        • sondrao@earthlink.net
          Yes he did. He was watching her and the purse from the time she sat down after a dance. So when she got sick, he knew it wasn t from the cyanide in her purse.
          Message 4 of 28 , Apr 28, 2012
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            Yes he did.  He was watching her and the purse from the time she sat down after a dance.  So when she got sick, he knew it wasn't from the cyanide in her purse.

            It was a good read and a better movie on the dvd.  I thought anyway. 

            Sondra


            -----Original Message-----
            From: CE
            Sent: Apr 28, 2012 12:58 AM
            To: "nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com"
            Subject: Re: [NeroWolfe] Looking for a title

             

            I have always thought this was one of the weakest books. Archie doesn't know this girl at all, she has cyanide in her purse, and she's talking to her friends about committing suicide.  I didn't think Archie had anything to go on.
            Cecilia


            From: "sondrao@..." <sondrao@...>
            To: nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:10 PM
            Subject: Re: [NeroWolfe] Looking for a title



            No its not too many clients, its "Champain for One," where the girl who was born illegitimately to a wealthy father, had a child by another rich guy who hired Wolfe because he was afraid that he would be accused of killing her.  Archie was at the dinner party and he knew that she didn't commit suicide.  Actually, it turned out that the wealthy father's mean wife had poisoned the girl's drink.

            Thanks


            -----Original Message-----
            From: Lady Shelley
            Sent: Apr 24, 2012 9:44 PM
            To: nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [NeroWolfe] Looking for a title

             
            Too Many Clients maybe? It was one they also made for the A&E series, I think.

            --
            Shelley
            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
            There is grandeur in this view of life ... from so simple a beginning
            endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are
            being, evolved. -- Charles Darwin

            http://www.redhawke.org

            On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Henry <henryfry2003@...> wrote:
            > In one book Wolfe is behind the picture listening as Archie and someone are talking in the office.  Archie says he is not paid well and later tells Wolfe he forgot he was listening.  Does anyone know which book this was?
            >
            > Thanks,
            >
            > Henry




          • a@aboq.org
            ... I agree with Cecilia. I disliked _Champagne for One_, and thought it the second-weakest Wolfe novel right behind the unbearable _Where There s a Will_.
            Message 5 of 28 , Apr 30, 2012
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              On Friday, 27th April 2012 at 21:58:05 (GMT -0700 PDT), CE wrote:

              > I have always thought this [Champagne for One] was one of the weakest books.

              I agree with Cecilia. I disliked _Champagne for One_, and thought it
              the second-weakest Wolfe novel right behind the unbearable _Where
              There's a Will_. :-) I thought A&E's TV version of _Champagne for One_
              was a lot more enjoyable than the book. 90 minutes on TV is not enough
              run-time to do justice to a great novel -- so the 90 minutes of A&E seemed
              ideal to pick & choose only the best moments from _Champagne for One_,
              an overall weak book. It made for a good (not great) TV episode. :-)

              --
              Yours,
              Alex.
              http://stout.aboq.org

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            • wayne holland
              You actually thought those were bad? What about Black Mountain? That is hands down my least favorite Wolfe offering. It s like it s not even Wolfe traipsing
              Message 6 of 28 , May 1, 2012
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                You actually thought those were bad? What about Black Mountain? That is hands down my least favorite Wolfe offering. It's like it's not even Wolfe traipsing all over some mountains in eastern Europe.


                --- In nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com, a@... wrote:
                >
                > On Friday, 27th April 2012 at 21:58:05 (GMT -0700 PDT), CE wrote:
                >
                > > I have always thought this [Champagne for One] was one of the weakest books.
                >
                > I agree with Cecilia. I disliked _Champagne for One_, and thought it
                > the second-weakest Wolfe novel right behind the unbearable _Where
                > There's a Will_. :-) I thought A&E's TV version of _Champagne for One_
                > was a lot more enjoyable than the book. 90 minutes on TV is not enough
                > run-time to do justice to a great novel -- so the 90 minutes of A&E seemed
                > ideal to pick & choose only the best moments from _Champagne for One_,
                > an overall weak book. It made for a good (not great) TV episode. :-)
                >
                > --
                > Yours,
                > Alex.
                > http://stout.aboq.org
                >
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              • Jenna Welch
                I adore Black Mountain precisely because it s so unlike the rest of the stories. If nothing else, it shakes up the usual Wolfe/Archie dynamic- I loved seeing
                Message 7 of 28 , May 1, 2012
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                  I adore Black Mountain precisely because it's so unlike the rest of the stories.  If nothing else, it shakes up the usual Wolfe/Archie dynamic- I loved seeing Archie floundering around not knowing what to do or where to go or what to say.

                  On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:57 PM, wayne holland <stanleywholland@...> wrote:
                   

                  You actually thought those were bad? What about Black Mountain? That is hands down my least favorite Wolfe offering. It's like it's not even Wolfe traipsing all over some mountains in eastern Europe.

                  --- In nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com, a@... wrote:
                  >
                  > On Friday, 27th April 2012 at 21:58:05 (GMT -0700 PDT), CE wrote:
                  >
                  > > I have always thought this [Champagne for One] was one of the weakest books.
                  >
                  > I agree with Cecilia. I disliked _Champagne for One_, and thought it
                  > the second-weakest Wolfe novel right behind the unbearable _Where
                  > There's a Will_. :-) I thought A&E's TV version of _Champagne for One_
                  > was a lot more enjoyable than the book. 90 minutes on TV is not enough
                  > run-time to do justice to a great novel -- so the 90 minutes of A&E seemed
                  > ideal to pick & choose only the best moments from _Champagne for One_,
                  > an overall weak book. It made for a good (not great) TV episode. :-)
                  >
                  > --
                  > Yours,
                  > Alex.
                  > http://stout.aboq.org
                  >
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                  >


                • David E. Piccus
                  I am reading the entire corpus in order and am about 3/4 of the way through them. Perhaps I have no good editorial experience, but I like them all and love
                  Message 8 of 28 , May 1, 2012
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                    I am reading the entire corpus in order and am about 3/4 of the way through them.
                    Perhaps I have no good editorial experience, but I like them all and love quite a few of them.
                    I really enjoyed Black Mountain, Some Buried Caesar, Too Many Cooks, Fer de Lance, and most of the rest, as they are so re-readable. Even though this is the first time in order, I have read all of the books several times. It is fun to enjoy these characters as old friends who love to spare with words and play with the game of life. I've listened to Rex Stout on some of those old radio shows, hosted by Clifton Faddiman(sp). It certainly would have been a privilege to know and exchange words with Rex Stout, who was as witty and charming as his characters were.
                       

                    Best regards,


                    David Piccus


                    depiccus@...

                    195 West State Street

                    Lehi, UT 84043

                    801-768-9194

                    801-319-5716

                    www.piccus4color.com


                    On May 1, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Jenna Welch wrote:

                     

                    I adore Black Mountain precisely because it's so unlike the rest of the stories.  If nothing else, it shakes up the usual Wolfe/Archie dynamic- I loved seeing Archie floundering around not knowing what to do or where to go or what to say.

                    On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:57 PM, wayne holland <stanleywholland@...> wrote:
                     

                    You actually thought those were bad? What about Black Mountain? That is hands down my least favorite Wolfe offering. It's like it's not even Wolfe traipsing all over some mountains in eastern Europe.

                    --- In nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com, a@... wrote:
                    >
                    > On Friday, 27th April 2012 at 21:58:05 (GMT -0700 PDT), CE wrote:
                    >
                    > > I have always thought this [Champagne for One] was one of the weakest books.
                    >
                    > I agree with Cecilia. I disliked _Champagne for One_, and thought it
                    > the second-weakest Wolfe novel right behind the unbearable _Where
                    > There's a Will_. :-) I thought A&E's TV version of _Champagne for One_
                    > was a lot more enjoyable than the book. 90 minutes on TV is not enough
                    > run-time to do justice to a great novel -- so the 90 minutes of A&E seemed
                    > ideal to pick & choose only the best moments from _Champagne for One_,
                    > an overall weak book. It made for a good (not great) TV episode. :-)
                    >
                    > --
                    > Yours,
                    > Alex.
                    > http://stout.aboq.org
                    >
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                    >




                  • Mike Detlefsen
                    ... Are these available somewhere? For purchase or free? Mike
                    Message 9 of 28 , May 1, 2012
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                      On 1 May 2012, at 12:18 , David E. Piccus wrote:

                      I've listened to Rex Stout on some of those old radio shows, hosted by Clifton Faddiman(sp). It certainly would have been a privilege to know and exchange words with Rex Stout, who was as witty and charming as his characters were.
                        

                      Are these available somewhere? For purchase or free?

                      Mike
                    • David E. Piccus
                      I believe Old Time Radio or OTR search will lead you to these shows. They were in the 1940 s and 1950 s. I ll see if I find them on one my older drives. Best
                      Message 10 of 28 , May 1, 2012
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                        I believe "Old Time Radio" or OTR search will lead you to these shows.
                        They were in the 1940's and 1950's. I'll see if I find them on one my older drives.

                        Best regards,


                        David Piccus


                        depiccus@...

                        195 West State Street

                        Lehi, UT 84043

                        801-768-9194

                        801-319-5716

                        www.piccus4color.com


                        On May 1, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Mike Detlefsen wrote:

                         


                        On 1 May 2012, at 12:18 , David E. Piccus wrote:

                        I've listened to Rex Stout on some of those old radio shows, hosted by Clifton Faddiman(sp). It certainly would have been a privilege to know and exchange words with Rex Stout, who was as witty and charming as his characters were.
                          

                        Are these available somewhere? For purchase or free?

                        Mike


                      • a@aboq.org
                        ... Both. There has been a section titled The Voice of Rex Stout on my webpage for many years: http://aboq.org/stout/#voice If you just want to quickly
                        Message 11 of 28 , May 3, 2012
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                          On Tuesday, 1st May 2012 at 12:28:17 (GMT -0500), Mike Detlefsen wrote:

                          >> I've listened to Rex Stout on some of those old radio shows, hosted
                          >> by Clifton Faddiman(sp). It certainly would have been a privilege
                          >> to know and exchange words with Rex Stout, who was as witty and
                          >> charming as his characters were.

                          > Are these available somewhere? For purchase or free?


                          Both. There has been a section titled "The Voice of Rex Stout" on my webpage for many years:

                          http://aboq.org/stout/#voice

                          If you just want to quickly listen to Rex Stout in person forgetfully talking about Sherlock Holmes stories, here goes:

                          http://aboq.org/stout/holmes.mp3 (4 minutes, 24 seconds)

                          ... or about presidential beards and moustaches as compared to his own beard:

                          http://aboq.org/stout/beards.mp3 (2 minutes, 35 seconds)

                          The entire "Information, Please!" show: http://aboq.org/stout/001.mp3 (over 28 minutes)

                          Plus, check out hte Old Time Radio Catalog site:

                          www.otrcat.com

                          << A site dedicated to the preservation of the golden era of radio
                          (old time radio). The site offers vast resources about nostalgic radio
                          shows. Besides listening to thousands of old time radio episodes
                          online (including _Adventures of Nero Wolfe_: http://bit.ly/Ks3yzJ ),
                          visitors can stream or download full episodes in MP3 format as well as
                          read detailed descriptions of the performers and series broadcast in the
                          era (1920s–1959). In the "daily downloads", there are the broadcasts
                          of the day throughout history (from the last 50-70+ years). >>

                          --
                          Yours,
                          Alex.
                          http://stout.aboq.org

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                        • CE
                          I couldn t agree more about Black Mountain. I ve never believed that the sedentary Wolfe could hike all over the mountains.  Even if I could believe that he
                          Message 12 of 28 , May 11, 2012
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                            I couldn't agree more about Black Mountain. I've never believed that the sedentary Wolfe could hike all over the mountains.  Even if I could believe that he could find a trail he hadn't traveled in decades, in the pitch dark, the tale would be ridiculous.  And how many people does Archie kill anyway? seemed like quite an excessive number.
                            Cecilia


                            From: wayne holland <stanleywholland@...>
                            To: nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 11:57 AM
                            Subject: [NeroWolfe] Re: Looking for a title

                            You actually thought those were bad?  What about Black Mountain? That is hands down my least favorite Wolfe offering. It's like it's not even Wolfe traipsing all over some mountains in eastern Europe.


                            --- In nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com, a@... wrote:
                            >
                            > On Friday, 27th April 2012 at 21:58:05 (GMT -0700 PDT), CE wrote:
                            >
                            > > I have always thought this [Champagne for One] was one of the weakest books.
                            >
                            > I agree with Cecilia. I disliked _Champagne for One_, and thought it
                            > the second-weakest Wolfe novel right behind the unbearable _Where
                            > There's a Will_.  :-)  I thought A&E's TV version of _Champagne for One_
                            > was a lot more enjoyable than the book. 90 minutes on TV is not enough
                            > run-time to do justice to a great novel -- so the 90 minutes of A&E seemed
                            > ideal to pick & choose only the best moments from _Champagne for One_,
                            > an overall weak book. It made for a good (not great) TV episode.  :-)

                            > --
                            > Yours,
                            > Alex.
                            > http://stout.aboq.org
                            >
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                          • Lady Shelley
                            I love Black Mountain, one of my very favorite Wolfe stories. The juxtaposition of Archie and Wolfe s roles in the story is wonderful. -- Shelley
                            Message 13 of 28 , May 11, 2012
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                              I love Black Mountain, one of my very favorite Wolfe stories.  The juxtaposition of Archie and Wolfe's roles in the story is wonderful. 

                              --
                              Shelley
                              ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                              There is grandeur in this view of life ... from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved. -- Charles Darwin

                              http://www.redhawke.org



                              On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:24 AM, CE <cec_moss@...> wrote:


                              I couldn't agree more about Black Mountain. I've never believed that the sedentary Wolfe could hike all over the mountains.  Even if I could believe that he could find a trail he hadn't traveled in decades, in the pitch dark, the tale would be ridiculous.  And how many people does Archie kill anyway? seemed like quite an excessive number.
                              Cecilia


                              From: wayne holland <stanleywholland@...>
                              To: nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 11:57 AM
                              Subject: [NeroWolfe] Re: Looking for a title

                              You actually thought those were bad?  What about Black Mountain? That is hands down my least favorite Wolfe offering. It's like it's not even Wolfe traipsing all over some mountains in eastern Europe.

                            • David E. Piccus
                              I agree, I love that story and the role reversal of Nero and Archie. Still an enjoyable read after five or six re-reads. I wish A&E had had the budget to do
                              Message 14 of 28 , May 11, 2012
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                                I agree, I love that story and the role reversal of Nero and Archie.
                                Still an enjoyable read after five or six re-reads.
                                I wish A&E had had the budget to do that one, Some Buried Caesar and Too many Cooks, all of which Nero is out of his comfort zone in the brownstone.

                                Best regards,


                                David Piccus


                                depiccus@...

                                195 West State Street

                                Lehi, UT 84043

                                801-768-9194

                                801-319-5716

                                www.piccus4color.com


                                On May 11, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Lady Shelley wrote:

                                 

                                I love Black Mountain, one of my very favorite Wolfe stories.  The juxtaposition of Archie and Wolfe's roles in the story is wonderful. 

                                --
                                Shelley
                                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                                There is grandeur in this view of life ... from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved. -- Charles Darwin

                                http://www.redhawke.org



                                On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:24 AM, CE <cec_moss@...> wrote:


                                I couldn't agree more about Black Mountain. I've never believed that the sedentary Wolfe could hike all over the mountains.  Even if I could believe that he could find a trail he hadn't traveled in decades, in the pitch dark, the tale would be ridiculous.  And how many people does Archie kill anyway? seemed like quite an excessive number.
                                Cecilia


                                From: wayne holland <stanleywholland@...>
                                To: nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 11:57 AM
                                Subject: [NeroWolfe] Re: Looking for a title

                                You actually thought those were bad?  What about Black Mountain? That is hands down my least favorite Wolfe offering. It's like it's not even Wolfe traipsing all over some mountains in eastern Europe.



                              • Victor
                                I also happen to like The Black Mountain. It s a well-reading demonstration that Stout was willing to experiment a bit with his traditional Wolfe format, a
                                Message 15 of 28 , May 11, 2012
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                                  I also happen to like The Black Mountain. It's a well-reading demonstration that Stout was willing to experiment a bit with his traditional Wolfe format, a straight-out travel adventure story rather than a mystery.

                                  Is it likely that a fat man could hike strenuously across some of the most rugged terrain in Yugoslavia? No. But if that fat man were Nero Wolfe? That's the thing about Stout's use of character: you certainly believe that Wolfe would be pigheaded enough to walk around the countryside, ignoring all coming "inconveniences" (albeit complaining about his feet), and in pursuit of the people who killed his friend and his daughter.

                                  The number of people Archie kills? Two: the inquisitors of Peter Zov, during a rescue. (Jubé, the student who fancied himself a spy, was killed by Danilo's men.) Do I believe that Archie is a killer? After reading In The Best Families and Family Affair, I certainly believe he's capable of deciding whether a person should live or deserve to die.

                                  --- In nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com, Lady Shelley <jackaubrey@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > I love Black Mountain, one of my very favorite Wolfe stories. The
                                  > juxtaposition of Archie and Wolfe's roles in the story is wonderful.
                                  >
                                  > --
                                  > Shelley
                                  > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                                  > There is grandeur in this view of life ... from so simple a beginning
                                  > endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being,
                                  > evolved. -- Charles Darwin
                                  >
                                  > http://www.redhawke.org
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:24 AM, CE <cec_moss@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > I couldn't agree more about Black Mountain. I've never believed that the
                                  > > sedentary Wolfe could hike all over the mountains. Even if I could believe
                                  > > that he could find a trail he hadn't traveled in decades, in the pitch
                                  > > dark, the tale would be ridiculous. And how many people does Archie kill
                                  > > anyway? seemed like quite an excessive number.
                                  > > Cecilia
                                  > >
                                  > > ------------------------------
                                  > > *From:* wayne holland <stanleywholland@...>
                                  > > *To:* nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 1, 2012 11:57 AM
                                  > > *Subject:* [NeroWolfe] Re: Looking for a title
                                  > >
                                  > > You actually thought those were bad? What about Black Mountain? That is
                                  > > hands down my least favorite Wolfe offering. It's like it's not even Wolfe
                                  > > traipsing all over some mountains in eastern Europe.
                                  > >
                                  >
                                • briarpatch_39272
                                  Remember that Nero Wolfe had to get in shape in another famous situation against Arnold Zeck. Changed his ways rather drastically that time. Charlene
                                  Message 16 of 28 , May 14, 2012
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                                    Remember that Nero Wolfe had to get in shape in another famous situation against Arnold Zeck. Changed his ways rather drastically that time.

                                    Charlene


                                    --- In nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com, "Victor" <vwong0360@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > I also happen to like The Black Mountain. It's a well-reading demonstration that Stout was willing to experiment a bit with his traditional Wolfe format, a straight-out travel adventure story rather than a mystery.
                                    >
                                    > Is it likely that a fat man could hike strenuously across some of the most rugged terrain in Yugoslavia? No. But if that fat man were Nero Wolfe? That's the thing about Stout's use of character: you certainly believe that Wolfe would be pigheaded enough to walk around the countryside, ignoring all coming "inconveniences" (albeit complaining about his feet), and in pursuit of the people who killed his friend and his daughter.
                                    >
                                    > The number of people Archie kills? Two: the inquisitors of Peter Zov, during a rescue. (Jubé, the student who fancied himself a spy, was killed by Danilo's men.) Do I believe that Archie is a killer? After reading In The Best Families and Family Affair, I certainly believe he's capable of deciding whether a person should live or deserve to die.
                                    >
                                    > --- In nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com, Lady Shelley <jackaubrey@> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > I love Black Mountain, one of my very favorite Wolfe stories. The
                                    > > juxtaposition of Archie and Wolfe's roles in the story is wonderful.
                                    > >
                                    > > --
                                    > > Shelley
                                    > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                                    > > There is grandeur in this view of life ... from so simple a beginning
                                    > > endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being,
                                    > > evolved. -- Charles Darwin
                                    > >
                                    > > http://www.redhawke.org
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:24 AM, CE <cec_moss@> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > I couldn't agree more about Black Mountain. I've never believed that the
                                    > > > sedentary Wolfe could hike all over the mountains. Even if I could believe
                                    > > > that he could find a trail he hadn't traveled in decades, in the pitch
                                    > > > dark, the tale would be ridiculous. And how many people does Archie kill
                                    > > > anyway? seemed like quite an excessive number.
                                    > > > Cecilia
                                    > > >
                                    > > > ------------------------------
                                    > > > *From:* wayne holland <stanleywholland@>
                                    > > > *To:* nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 1, 2012 11:57 AM
                                    > > > *Subject:* [NeroWolfe] Re: Looking for a title
                                    > > >
                                    > > > You actually thought those were bad? What about Black Mountain? That is
                                    > > > hands down my least favorite Wolfe offering. It's like it's not even Wolfe
                                    > > > traipsing all over some mountains in eastern Europe.
                                    > > >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                  • Julia LaBua
                                    And then of course there was his short-lived physical fitness routine when World War II broke out and he thought he would go kill some Germans because he
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                                      And then of course there was his short-lived physical fitness routine when World War II broke out and he thought he would go kill some Germans because he didn't kill enough in the first world war...

                                      Julia



                                      On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 3:45 PM, briarpatch_39272 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                       

                                      Remember that Nero Wolfe had to get in shape in another famous situation against Arnold Zeck. Changed his ways rather drastically that time.

                                      Charlene

                                      --- In nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com, "Victor" <vwong0360@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > I also happen to like The Black Mountain. It's a well-reading demonstration that Stout was willing to experiment a bit with his traditional Wolfe format, a straight-out travel adventure story rather than a mystery.
                                      >
                                      > Is it likely that a fat man could hike strenuously across some of the most rugged terrain in Yugoslavia? No. But if that fat man were Nero Wolfe? That's the thing about Stout's use of character: you certainly believe that Wolfe would be pigheaded enough to walk around the countryside, ignoring all coming "inconveniences" (albeit complaining about his feet), and in pursuit of the people who killed his friend and his daughter.
                                      >
                                      > The number of people Archie kills? Two: the inquisitors of Peter Zov, during a rescue. (Jubé, the student who fancied himself a spy, was killed by Danilo's men.) Do I believe that Archie is a killer? After reading In The Best Families and Family Affair, I certainly believe he's capable of deciding whether a person should live or deserve to die.
                                      >
                                      > --- In nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com, Lady Shelley <jackaubrey@> wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > I love Black Mountain, one of my very favorite Wolfe stories. The
                                      > > juxtaposition of Archie and Wolfe's roles in the story is wonderful.
                                      > >
                                      > > --
                                      > > Shelley
                                      > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                                      > > There is grandeur in this view of life ... from so simple a beginning
                                      > > endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being,
                                      > > evolved. -- Charles Darwin
                                      > >
                                      > > http://www.redhawke.org
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:24 AM, CE <cec_moss@> wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > I couldn't agree more about Black Mountain. I've never believed that the
                                      > > > sedentary Wolfe could hike all over the mountains. Even if I could believe
                                      > > > that he could find a trail he hadn't traveled in decades, in the pitch
                                      > > > dark, the tale would be ridiculous. And how many people does Archie kill
                                      > > > anyway? seemed like quite an excessive number.
                                      > > > Cecilia
                                      > > >
                                      > > > ------------------------------
                                      > > > *From:* wayne holland <stanleywholland@>
                                      > > > *To:* nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 1, 2012 11:57 AM
                                      > > > *Subject:* [NeroWolfe] Re: Looking for a title
                                      > > >
                                      > > > You actually thought those were bad? What about Black Mountain? That is
                                      > > > hands down my least favorite Wolfe offering. It's like it's not even Wolfe
                                      > > > traipsing all over some mountains in eastern Europe.
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      >


                                    • sondrao@earthlink.net
                                      to whom do you refer? Archie was a Captain in the war, not Nero. sao -----Original Message----- From: Julia LaBua Sent: May 14, 2012 5:16 PM To:
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                                        to whom do you refer?  Archie was a Captain in the war, not Nero.

                                        sao

                                        -----Original Message-----
                                        From: Julia LaBua
                                        Sent: May 14, 2012 5:16 PM
                                        To: nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com
                                        Subject: Re: [NeroWolfe] Re: Looking for a title

                                         

                                        And then of course there was his short-lived physical fitness routine when World War II broke out and he thought he would go kill some Germans because he didn't kill enough in the first world war...

                                        Julia



                                        On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 3:45 PM, briarpatch_39272 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                         

                                        Remember that Nero Wolfe had to get in shape in another famous situation against Arnold Zeck. Changed his ways rather drastically that time.

                                        Charlene

                                        --- In nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com, "Victor" <vwong0360@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > I also happen to like The Black Mountain. It's a well-reading demonstration that Stout was willing to experiment a bit with his traditional Wolfe format, a straight-out travel adventure story rather than a mystery.
                                        >
                                        > Is it likely that a fat man could hike strenuously across some of the most rugged terrain in Yugoslavia? No. But if that fat man were Nero Wolfe? That's the thing about Stout's use of character: you certainly believe that Wolfe would be pigheaded enough to walk around the countryside, ignoring all coming "inconveniences" (albeit complaining about his feet), and in pursuit of the people who killed his friend and his daughter.
                                        >
                                        > The number of people Archie kills? Two: the inquisitors of Peter Zov, during a rescue. (Jubé, the student who fancied himself a spy, was killed by Danilo's men.) Do I believe that Archie is a killer? After reading In The Best Families and Family Affair, I certainly believe he's capable of deciding whether a person should live or deserve to die.
                                        >
                                        > --- In nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com, Lady Shelley <jackaubrey@> wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > I love Black Mountain, one of my very favorite Wolfe stories. The
                                        > > juxtaposition of Archie and Wolfe's roles in the story is wonderful.
                                        > >
                                        > > --
                                        > > Shelley
                                        > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                                        > > There is grandeur in this view of life ... from so simple a beginning
                                        > > endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being,
                                        > > evolved. -- Charles Darwin
                                        > >
                                        > > http://www.redhawke.org
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:24 AM, CE <cec_moss@> wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > I couldn't agree more about Black Mountain. I've never believed that the
                                        > > > sedentary Wolfe could hike all over the mountains. Even if I could believe
                                        > > > that he could find a trail he hadn't traveled in decades, in the pitch
                                        > > > dark, the tale would be ridiculous. And how many people does Archie kill
                                        > > > anyway? seemed like quite an excessive number.
                                        > > > Cecilia
                                        > > >
                                        > > > ------------------------------
                                        > > > *From:* wayne holland <stanleywholland@>
                                        > > > *To:* nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 1, 2012 11:57 AM
                                        > > > *Subject:* [NeroWolfe] Re: Looking for a title
                                        > > >
                                        > > > You actually thought those were bad? What about Black Mountain? That is
                                        > > > hands down my least favorite Wolfe offering. It's like it's not even Wolfe
                                        > > > traipsing all over some mountains in eastern Europe.
                                        > > >
                                        > >
                                        >


                                      • CE
                                        Nero was supposed to stay in the US during the war, to contribute to a brain trust,  but he wanted to go and kill some Germans because he didn t kill enough
                                        Message 19 of 28 , May 14, 2012
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                                          Nero was supposed to stay in the US during the war, to contribute to a brain trust,  but he wanted to go and kill some Germans because he didn't kill enough before.  When Captain (later Major?)  Archie came home on leave and found Nero on a diet and exercising on the pier, he had to find a way to keep Nero in town.
                                          I can't remember this title, but that's the setup. Nero's physical fitness routine is quickly dropped as he starts solving a mystery again.
                                          Cecilia

                                          From: "sondrao@..." <sondrao@...>
                                          To: nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 7:14 PM
                                          Subject: Re: [NeroWolfe] Re: Looking for a title



                                          to whom do you refer?  Archie was a Captain in the war, not Nero.

                                          sao

                                          -----Original Message-----
                                          From: Julia LaBua
                                          Sent: May 14, 2012 5:16 PM
                                          To: nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: Re: [NeroWolfe] Re: Looking for a title

                                           
                                          And then of course there was his short-lived physical fitness routine when World War II broke out and he thought he would go kill some Germans because he didn't kill enough in the first world war...

                                          Julia



                                          On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 3:45 PM, briarpatch_39272 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                           
                                          Remember that Nero Wolfe had to get in shape in another famous situation against Arnold Zeck. Changed his ways rather drastically that time.

                                          Charlene

                                          --- In nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com, "Victor" <vwong0360@...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > I also happen to like The Black Mountain. It's a well-reading demonstration that Stout was willing to experiment a bit with his traditional Wolfe format, a straight-out travel adventure story rather than a mystery.
                                          >
                                          > Is it likely that a fat man could hike strenuously across some of the most rugged terrain in Yugoslavia? No. But if that fat man were Nero Wolfe? That's the thing about Stout's use of character: you certainly believe that Wolfe would be pigheaded enough to walk around the countryside, ignoring all coming "inconveniences" (albeit complaining about his feet), and in pursuit of the people who killed his friend and his daughter.
                                          >
                                          > The number of people Archie kills? Two: the inquisitors of Peter Zov, during a rescue. (Jubé, the student who fancied himself a spy, was killed by Danilo's men.) Do I believe that Archie is a killer? After reading In The Best Families and Family Affair, I certainly believe he's capable of deciding whether a person should live or deserve to die.
                                          >
                                          > --- In nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com, Lady Shelley <jackaubrey@> wrote:
                                          > >
                                          > > I love Black Mountain, one of my very favorite Wolfe stories. The
                                          > > juxtaposition of Archie and Wolfe's roles in the story is wonderful.
                                          > >
                                          > > --
                                          > > Shelley
                                          > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                                          > > There is grandeur in this view of life ... from so simple a beginning
                                          > > endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being,
                                          > > evolved. -- Charles Darwin
                                          > >
                                          > > http://www.redhawke.org
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:24 AM, CE <cec_moss@> wrote:
                                          > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > > I couldn't agree more about Black Mountain. I've never believed that the
                                          > > > sedentary Wolfe could hike all over the mountains. Even if I could believe
                                          > > > that he could find a trail he hadn't traveled in decades, in the pitch
                                          > > > dark, the tale would be ridiculous. And how many people does Archie kill
                                          > > > anyway? seemed like quite an excessive number.
                                          > > > Cecilia
                                          > > >
                                          > > > ------------------------------
                                          > > > *From:* wayne holland <stanleywholland@>
                                          > > > *To:* nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com
                                          > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 1, 2012 11:57 AM
                                          > > > *Subject:* [NeroWolfe] Re: Looking for a title
                                          > > >
                                          > > > You actually thought those were bad? What about Black Mountain? That is
                                          > > > hands down my least favorite Wolfe offering. It's like it's not even Wolfe
                                          > > > traipsing all over some mountains in eastern Europe.
                                          > > >
                                          > >
                                          >






                                        • Julia LaBua
                                          Yes, thank you Cecilia, that is the story I was thinking of. I can t remember the title at the moment, but you ve summed up the gist of the particular plot
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                                            Yes, thank you Cecilia, that is the story I was thinking of. I can't remember the title at the moment, but you've summed up the gist of the particular plot line perfectly.

                                            Julia


                                            On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:24 PM, CE <cec_moss@...> wrote:
                                             

                                            Nero was supposed to stay in the US during the war, to contribute to a brain trust,  but he wanted to go and kill some Germans because he didn't kill enough before.  When Captain (later Major?)  Archie came home on leave and found Nero on a diet and exercising on the pier, he had to find a way to keep Nero in town.
                                            I can't remember this title, but that's the setup. Nero's physical fitness routine is quickly dropped as he starts solving a mystery again.
                                            Cecilia

                                            From: "sondrao@..." <sondrao@...>
                                            To: nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 7:14 PM

                                            Subject: Re: [NeroWolfe] Re: Looking for a title



                                            to whom do you refer?  Archie was a Captain in the war, not Nero.

                                            sao

                                            -----Original Message-----
                                            From: Julia LaBua
                                            Sent: May 14, 2012 5:16 PM
                                            To: nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com
                                            Subject: Re: [NeroWolfe] Re: Looking for a title

                                             
                                            And then of course there was his short-lived physical fitness routine when World War II broke out and he thought he would go kill some Germans because he didn't kill enough in the first world war...

                                            Julia



                                            On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 3:45 PM, briarpatch_39272 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                             
                                            Remember that Nero Wolfe had to get in shape in another famous situation against Arnold Zeck. Changed his ways rather drastically that time.

                                            Charlene

                                            --- In nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com, "Victor" <vwong0360@...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > I also happen to like The Black Mountain. It's a well-reading demonstration that Stout was willing to experiment a bit with his traditional Wolfe format, a straight-out travel adventure story rather than a mystery.
                                            >
                                            > Is it likely that a fat man could hike strenuously across some of the most rugged terrain in Yugoslavia? No. But if that fat man were Nero Wolfe? That's the thing about Stout's use of character: you certainly believe that Wolfe would be pigheaded enough to walk around the countryside, ignoring all coming "inconveniences" (albeit complaining about his feet), and in pursuit of the people who killed his friend and his daughter.
                                            >
                                            > The number of people Archie kills? Two: the inquisitors of Peter Zov, during a rescue. (Jubé, the student who fancied himself a spy, was killed by Danilo's men.) Do I believe that Archie is a killer? After reading In The Best Families and Family Affair, I certainly believe he's capable of deciding whether a person should live or deserve to die.
                                            >
                                            > --- In nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com, Lady Shelley <jackaubrey@> wrote:
                                            > >
                                            > > I love Black Mountain, one of my very favorite Wolfe stories. The
                                            > > juxtaposition of Archie and Wolfe's roles in the story is wonderful.
                                            > >
                                            > > --
                                            > > Shelley
                                            > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                                            > > There is grandeur in this view of life ... from so simple a beginning
                                            > > endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being,
                                            > > evolved. -- Charles Darwin
                                            > >
                                            > > http://www.redhawke.org
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:24 AM, CE <cec_moss@> wrote:
                                            > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > > I couldn't agree more about Black Mountain. I've never believed that the
                                            > > > sedentary Wolfe could hike all over the mountains. Even if I could believe
                                            > > > that he could find a trail he hadn't traveled in decades, in the pitch
                                            > > > dark, the tale would be ridiculous. And how many people does Archie kill
                                            > > > anyway? seemed like quite an excessive number.
                                            > > > Cecilia
                                            > > >
                                            > > > ------------------------------
                                            > > > *From:* wayne holland <stanleywholland@>
                                            > > > *To:* nerowolfe@yahoogroups.com
                                            > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 1, 2012 11:57 AM
                                            > > > *Subject:* [NeroWolfe] Re: Looking for a title
                                            > > >
                                            > > > You actually thought those were bad? What about Black Mountain? That is
                                            > > > hands down my least favorite Wolfe offering. It's like it's not even Wolfe
                                            > > > traipsing all over some mountains in eastern Europe.
                                            > > >
                                            > >
                                            >







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