Re: [neoplatonism] Re: Noeron Pyr Again
- Le 22 sept. 05, à 10:20, vaeringjar a écrit :
> M.C. I'm a little late on responding to this one, but I've been busy.M.C. Usually thought to be last quarter of the 5th century.
> By the way, "noeron pyr" also pops up in the Tuebingen Theosophy. I
> can't seem to find anything to read about the background of that
> work, and I don't even know its date for sure. Is it supposedly 4th
> I dipped into the intoduction of the Teubner edition atM.C. On thihs work see first and foremost H.D. Saffrey, “ Connaissance
> least, but I think that is mostly textual.
et inconnaissance de Dieu : Porphyre et la Théosophie de Tubingen", in
Gonimos. Neoplatonic and Byzantine studies presented to Leendert G.
Westerink at 75, Buffalo 1988, 3-20, reprinted in Saffrey, Recherches
sur le néoplatonisme apres Plotin, Paris 1990, 11-20. Here, Saffrey
proves that §. 65 , p. 183 Erbse, where Porphyry is cited, is in fact a
reference to the (Anonymous) Commentary on the Parmenides. Many regard
this article as one of the strongest proofs that this Commentary in
indeed by Porphyry as Hadot was the first to claim.
>M.C. Chaldaean Oracles, I'm guessing.
> Also have no idea how the term would pop up there - influence of the
> Stoics or maybe the Chaldaean Oracles, or maybe just from some
> unknown quarter of Prof. Dillon's famous Platonic Underground?
Some other views on the Tubingen Theosophy : P.P. Beatrice in his
recent edition (Anonymi monophysitae Theosophia : an attempt at
reconstruction / by Pier Franco Beatrice. Leiden : Brill, 2001) thinks
its author was Severus of Antioch, but that view has been critically
received by the experts. M. Mastrocinque has proposed the interesting
idea that this collection of Oracles orginated in Porphyry's De
Philosophia ex oraculis haurienda, with later additions. See also the
recent dissertation by the young Belgian scholar Aude Busine : Paroles
d’Apollon : essai de contextualisation des pratiques et traditions
oraculaires du IIe au VIe siècle. [s. l.] : [s. n.], 2002. 2 vol.
(386 feuillets). • Thèse Université Libre de Bruxelles, Fac. de
Philosophie et Lettres.
> Michael Chase(goya@...)
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>Saffrey, " Connaissance
> Le 22 sept. 05, à 10:20, vaeringjar a écrit :
> M.C. On thihs work see first and foremost H.D.
> et inconnaissance de Dieu : Porphyre et la Théosophie de Tubingen",in
> Gonimos. Neoplatonic and Byzantine studies presented to Leendert G.Recherches
> Westerink at 75, Buffalo 1988, 3-20, reprinted in Saffrey,
> sur le néoplatonisme apres Plotin, Paris 1990, 11-20. Here, Saffreyfact a
> proves that §. 65 , p. 183 Erbse, where Porphyry is cited, is in
> reference to the (Anonymous) Commentary on the Parmenides. Manyregard
> this article as one of the strongest proofs that this Commentary inDear Michael, once again I am in your debt for these references, and
> indeed by Porphyry as Hadot was the first to claim.
fortunately I have that collection of essays by Saffrey. It's
interesting then that Lewy took that other section in the Theosophia
I referred to in my earlier posting to be lifted from Porphyry also,
from the Philosophy Drawn from the Oracles, although I don't know
that has been accepted or even recognized.
I have another study that might be relevant as well, that I have yet
to check, <Porphyre et le moyen-platonisme> by Marco Zambon. He has
one chapter devoted to Porphyry and the Chaldaean Oracles. That is a
subject I would like more clarity on, and I gather from a quick
reading of Hadot's essay appended to the 1978 edition of Lewy that
it's rather a troubled issue. Perhaps Zambon will help there.