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Re: De Antro Nympharum

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  • Mark
    My pleasure. That sounds like quite the wild Dionysian animal activity up on that mountain of yours - Great text btw, one of my favorite ancient essays -
    Message 1 of 36 , Dec 5, 2011
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      My pleasure. That sounds like quite the wild Dionysian animal activity up on that mountain of yours - Great text btw, one of my favorite ancient essays - apparently Blake, Shelley, and Coleridge were really big on it - must pick up a modern edition one of these days, most def.

      --- In neoplatonism@yahoogroups.com, "vaeringjar" <vaeringjar@...> wrote:
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      > That's a great passage, thanks for entering it. I like the image of Arktos especially - or is that perhaps in part because I have a (non Arktic?!?) bear visiting my garbage can where I live now, at nights? So far he is unseen, by me, but not by others! When you live on a mountain, here be bears...and cougars too....
      >
      > Dennis Clark
      >
      > --- In neoplatonism@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <marcusaurelius09@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Here's a related passage, if it's any help:
      > >
      > > Nonnus, Dionysiaca 41. 263 ff :
      > > "[The heavenly hall of Harmonia, goddess of universal harmony :] The hall of Allmother Harmonia, where that Nymphe dwelt in a house, self-built, shaped like the great universe with its four quarters joined in one. Four portals were about that stronghold standing proof against the four Aetai (Winds). Handmaids [i.e. the Horai or Hours] protected this dwelling on all sides, a round image of the universe : the doors were allotted--Anatolia (Rising) was the maid who attended Euros the East Wind's gate; at Zephyros the West Wind's was Dysis (Setting) the nurse of Selene; Mesembrias (Midday) held the bold of the fiery Notos the South; Arktos the Bear was the servant who opened the gate of the Boreas the North, thick with clouds and sprinkled with hail."
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In neoplatonism@yahoogroups.com, "vaeringjar" <vaeringjar@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Was just looking at this, at the two editions I have of de Antro, and there is no note in either, but throughout Porphyry is referring to the directions also as the winds, Notos in this case, the South wind, not really the sun itself in this particular sentence, but he does associate the South with the Sun thereafter, also as the gateway for souls to ascend, as in Plato.
      > > >
      > > > So I don't know that beyond the personifications, if you will, as winds, that there is any other main symbol here for each direction, but obviously he is presenting much more or less symbolic, if you will, interpretation here in this work.
      > > >
      > > > Anyone else have any ideas here?
      > > >
      > > > I did cite that passage in de Antro, a little further on, in my article about the Egyptian theology in de Mysteriis, where Porphyry speaks of the appropriateness silence when worshipping the highest gods, for Iamblichus says this also about Heikton, and I do think I was the first to note the simliarity in both passages (ok, that was boastful, but I was happy I caught that one in three separate texts. Good old philology, in a simple way, right?). Porphyry says something similar in de Abstinentia, so when we pass that gate to heaven, he thinks we should keep our mouths shut!
      > > >
      > > > I will try to remember that...once a chatterbox, always a...!
      > > >
      > > > Dennis Clark
      > > >
      > > > --- In neoplatonism@yahoogroups.com, Empedotimos <empedotimos@> wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > In De Antro Nympharum 27.1, Porphyry says that "the ancients placed a symbol of midday and of the south in the gates of the temples"
      > > > > ("ἱστᾶσιν οὖν τὸσύμβολον τῆς μεσημβρίας καὶτοῦνότου ἐπὶτῇ θύρᾳμεσημβριάζοντος τοῦθεοῦ")
      > > > >  Does Porphyry here refer  to the symbol of the Sun or to some other symbol?  Are there any other references elsewhere in the texts  about the symbols of the four directions(gates) ?
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      > > > > http://www.empedotimos.blogspot.com
      > > > >
      > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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    • roger_pearse
      It looks very interesting, but it s frustrating too, in that accessing it will be a pain. This whole idea of paper publication in a limited edition of 200
      Message 36 of 36 , Dec 10, 2011
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        It looks very interesting, but it's frustrating too, in that accessing it will be a pain. This whole idea of paper publication in a limited edition of 200 copies max, in the age of the internet, never seemed more absurd.

        --- In neoplatonism@yahoogroups.com, "Goya" <goya@...> wrote:
        >
        > Just published:
        >
        > Collection des Études Augustiniennes
        > Série Antiquité - 190
        > LE TRAITÉ DE PORPHYRE CONTRE LES CHRÉTIENS
        > Un siècle de recherches, nouvelles questions
        > Actes du colloque international organisé les 8 et 9 septembre 2009 à
        > l'Université de Paris IV-Sorbonne
        > édités par Sébastien MORLET
        > Institut d'Études Augustiniennes PARIS
        > 2011
        >
        >
        >
        > TABLE DES MATIÈRES
        > PRÉFACE
        > .................................................................................................................
        > 7
        > LE TEXTE DU CONTRA CHRISTIANOS
        > Sébastien MORLET, Comment le problème du Contra Christianos peut-il
        > se poser aujourd'hui
        > ?.......................................................................................
        > 11 André LAKS, Fragments. Réflexions à propos de l'édition Harnack
        > du Contre les chrétiens de Porphyre
        > ................................................................ 51 Ariane
        > MAGNY, Méthodologie et collecte des fragments de Porphyre
        > sur le Nouveau Testament chez Jérôme
        > ........................................................... 59 Olivier
        > MUNNICH, Recherche de la source porphyrienne dans les
        > objections « païennes » du Monogénès : l'enjeu des citations scripturaires
        > ..... 75 L'ARGUMENTATION ANTICHRÉTIENNE DE PORPHYRE
        > Marco ZAMBON, Porfirio e Origene, uno status
        > quaestionis.............................107
        > Aaron P. JOHNSON, Porphyry's
        > Hellenism.........................................................165
        > Bernard POUDERON, Le fragment 78 Harnack (101 Ramos Jurado) du
        > Contra Christianos de Porphyre et la question de la «tolérance»
        > chrétienne d'après Ex 22, 27 LXX
        > ................................................................183
        > Richard GOULET, Porphyre et Macarios de Magnésie sur la toute-puissance
        > de
        > Dieu...........................................................................................................205
        > John Granger COOK, Porphyry's Contra Christianos and
        > the crimen nominis Christianorum
        > ................................................................ 231
        > Luc BRISSON, Le Christ comme Lógos suivant Porphyre
        > dans Contre les chrétiens (fragment 86 von Harnack =
        > Théophylacte, Enarr. in Joh., PG 123, col. 1141)
        > ......................................... 277
        > José M. ZAMORA, Ἄνθρωπος
        > γενόμενος̣ : la divinité
        > du Christ
        > dans le Contra Christianos de
        > Porphyre........................................................291
        > 462 TABLE DES MATIÈRES LA POSTÉRITÉ DU CONTRA CHRISTIANOS
        > Volker Henning DRECOLL, Existe-t-il des traces de l'argumentation
        > antichrétienne de Porphyre dans l'œuvre de Grégoire de
        > Nysse?.................307
        > Régis COURTRAY, Porphyre et le livre de Daniel au travers du
        > Commentaire sur Daniel de
        > Jérôme...............................................................329
        > Claudio ZAMAGNI, Porphyre est-il la cible principale des
        > « questions » chrétiennes des IVe et Ve siècles ?
        > .............................................. 357
        > Isabelle BOCHET, Les quaestiones attribuées à Porphyre
        > dans la Lettre 102
        > d'Augustin........................................................................371
        > Gillian CLARK, Acerrimus inimicus? Porphyry and the City of
        > God.................395 Jean BOUFFARTIGUE, Porphyre et Julien contre les
        > chrétiens :
        > intentions, motifs et méthodes de leurs écrits
        > ................................................ 407
        > CONCLUSIONS
        > ....................................................................................................427
        > BIBLIOGRAPHIE
        > ..................................................................................................
        > 433 INDEX
        > BIBLIQUE.................................................................................................439
        > INDEX DES AUTEURS ANCIENS ET
        > MÉDIÉVAUX..................................................443 TABLE DES
        > MATIÈRES.........................................................................................461
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Michael Chase
        > CNRS UPR 76
        > Paris-Villejuif
        > France
        >
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