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  • Thomas Mether
    Well Greetings,   First welcome. Second, let s hope we don t have to bring up Z. Hawass. This seems to be a quiet list. I have overdue replies on will and
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      Well Greetings,
      First welcome. Second, let's hope we don't have to bring up Z. Hawass.
      This seems to be a quiet list. I have overdue replies on will and otherwise.
      Hopefully, that means its a contemplative list of academics in disguise. Out of contemplation, we almost manage a conversation.
      Thomas Mether

      --- On Wed, 4/22/09, studiahermetica <secquax@...> wrote:

      From: studiahermetica <secquax@...>
      Subject: [neoplatonism] Re: Iván Elvira's Introduction
      To: neoplatonism@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 4:06 PM

      Dear Mr. Clark et alii

      Thanks for your kind words about my website and for these interesting bibliographical recommendations. And certainly I didn't know them, thus I appreciate so much, moreover because they're quite recent as I see. Well, in my opinion, the relationship between Late Antiquity's Hermetica and the religious framework in the last periods of Pre-Achaemenid Egypt, is a question poorly treated by the unique historians in the field who can clear up these complex phenomena, and obviously I'm referring to Egyptologists. Concerning historians specialized in Hellenistic History and concretely in Hellenistic thought, I think traditionally they've minimized the value of deal with Egyptology and consequently with Egyptologists in depth. Furthermore as you can check in the bibliographical references published on my website, the Egyptology has not a real place at all, and in my case is due to my unlimited ignorance in this matter. Nevertheless, in the last decades,
      principally after the thesis Elementos egipcios en el Corpus Hermeticum (1970), by Francisco Samaranch Kirner, historians specialized in the field progressively aware that many elements of Egyptian's literature and philosophy could influence philosophical Hermetica, for instance, its famous anthropocentrism (Asc. 9-10 y 23, CH I 12-14, CH IV 2, CH X 24, CH X 25, CH XII 12, DH VI 1, DH VIII 6 y DH IX 6), the Hermetic Sun (CH XVI 7-9), maybe certain ceremonies performed in the Houses of Life (Asclepius, CH XVII) and why not, the "theurgical" applications of technical ("prayers to Sun", PGM) and philosophical Hermetica (CH XVI 2). Nevertheless, in my humble opinion, Hermetic Philosophy is overall a new (Hellenistic) creation (the last "true" Egyptian philosophy?) , obviously rooted in Egyptian tradition, but at the same time different to the rest of contemporary currents.

      With kind regards,

      Iván Elvira.

      > Welcome to the group - your website is indeed quite handsome and inviting, though personally I need some time to digest it all, very nicely laid out too. I wanted to recommend a recent publication you may already be aware of, the long awaited scholarly edition of an important late Egyptian text:
      > Jasnow, Richard and Karl-Th. Zauzich, The Ancient Egyptian Book of Thoth I, Wiesbaden: Harrassowitz Verlag, 2005.
      > Their introduction is also worthwhile for sure, though unfortunately it appears there are no really striking detailed links between this text and the known Hermetica - still it must represent the sort of Egyptian milieu which likely strongly influenced them.
      > Also, I noted your citation of Kamephis - you might find this article of use too, by an Egyptologist. There has been some confusion unfortunately on these various Egyptian gods and their Greco-Roman counterparts. This article clears some of that up, and covers a number of Neoplatonic instances as well:
      > Thissen, Heinz J., "KMHF – Ein verkannter Gott", Zeitschrift für Papyrologie und Epigraphik, 112 (1996): 153-160.
      > Apologies if you already know of the above.
      > Dennis Clark

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