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Re: Augustine and Neoplatonism

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  • Ron Criss
    ... had ... Academy ... Dennis, My understanding is that Porphyry was still a vocal and active opponent of Christianity. The issue was indeed still current.
    Message 1 of 6 , Sep 4, 2007
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      --- In neoplatonism@yahoogroups.com, "vaeringjar" <vaeringjar@...>
      wrote:
      >
      > --- In neoplatonism@yahoogroups.com, Cristian Ducu <delacineva@>
      > wrote:
      > >
      > > Dear Ron,
      > >
      > > Here is the original fragment you are looking for:
      > >
      > > 18. 41. Deinde in nostrum Tullium conflictio ista
      > > duravit, iam plane saucia et ultimo spiritu latinas
      > > litteras inflatura. Nam nihil mihi videtur inflatius,
      > > quam tam multa copiosissime atque ornatissime dicere,
      > > non ita sentientem. Quibus tamen ventis feneus ille
      > > platonicus Antiochus satis, ut mihi videtur,
      > > dissipatus atque dispersus est. Nam Epicureorum greges
      > > in animis deliciosorum populorum aprica stabula
      > > posuerunt. Quippe Antiochus Philonis auditor, hominis
      > > quantum arbitror circumspectissimi, qui iam veluti
      > > aperire cedentibus hostibus portas coeperat, et ad
      > > Platonis auctoritatem Academiam legesque revocare;
      > > quamquam et Metrodorus id antea facere tentaverat, qui
      > > primus dicitur esse confessus, non decreto placuisse
      > > Academicis nihil posse comprehendi, sed necessario
      > > contra Stoicos huiusmodi eos arma sumpsisse: igitur
      > > Antiochus, ut institueram dicere, auditis Philone
      > > academico, et Mnesarcho stoico, in Academiam veterem,
      > > quasi vacuam defensoribus, et quasi nullo hoste
      > > securam, velut adiutor et civis irrepserat, nescio
      > > quid inferens mali de Stoicorum cineribus, quod
      > > Platonis adita violaret. Sed huic arreptis iterum
      > > illis armis et Philon restitit donec moreretur, et
      > > omnes eius reliquias Tullius noster oppressit, se vivo
      > > impatiens labefactari vel contaminari quidquid
      > > amavisset: adeo post illa tempora non longo intervallo
      > > omni pervicacia pertinaciaque demortua, os illud
      > > Platonis quod in philosophia purgatissimum est et
      > > lucidissimum, dimotis nubibus erroris emicuit, maxime
      > > in Plotino, qui platonicus philosophus ita eius
      > > similis iudicatus est, ut simul eos vixisse, tantum
      > > autem interest temporis ut in hoc ille revixisse
      > > putandus sit.
      > >
      > > Here is the source:
      > > http://www.augustinus.it/latino/contr_acc/index2.htm
      > > And also an Italian translation:
      > > http://www.augustinus.it/italiano/contr_acc/index2.htm
      > >
      >
      > Augustine would have gotten most of his ideas here about the New
      > Academy from Cicero, correct? The comment about Plotinus is so
      > general that it doesn't provide much help in determining what he
      had
      > or hadn't read of his.
      >
      > I don't understand why dealing with the Scepticism of the New
      Academy
      > would appear such an important issue to anyone in the late 4th
      > century AD. It's not exactly at that point a fresh controversy, is
      > it? And Augustine has written this whole treatise on this subject.
      >
      > Is he just myopic, in the sense his philosophical training was very
      > spotty, so much so that the issues he discusses loom large in the
      > limited context of his learning? I know that sounds hardly
      > compliemtary to Augustine, but I just don't understand why he is so
      > interested in this subject.
      >
      > Dennis Clark

      Dennis,

      My understanding is that Porphyry was still a vocal and active
      opponent of Christianity. The issue was indeed still current. Here's
      an interesting website on the subject:

      http://people.uncw.edu/zervosg/PR238/Pagans.htm

      Ron
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