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6173Re: RES: [neoplatonism] mystical union in Plotinus?

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  • Goya
    Jan 14, 2014
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      It *is* a tricky question (although not a *trick* question!), but I don't
      have anything clever to add, Jose, except that I think Stephen Clark is
      right on this one.But I'd very much like to hear evidence to the contrary!


      > I would go with the conventional view: union with intellect already is a
      > “mystic” union, which is possible to the philosopher and which is the
      > first
      > union in the way to the union with or grasping of the one, which is not
      > guaranteed by the union with intellect and which, when it happens, is
      > actually a union of soul AND intellect with the one.
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      > By memory, I would refer to V.5.8 and VI.7.34 to support this.
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      > But I suspect that this is a tricky question and that Michael will come
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      > something much more interesting.
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      > Best,
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      > José
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      > De: neoplatonism@yahoogroups.com [mailto:neoplatonism@yahoogroups.com] Em
      > nome de Goya
      > Enviada em: terça-feira, 14 de janeiro de 2014 13:38
      > Para: Neoplatonism
      > Assunto: [neoplatonism] mystical union in Plotinus?
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      > Friends,
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      > Peter Cheyne has allowed me to reproduce a (still draft-form) paragraph
      > from his interesting thesis, and I'd like to get the List's feedback on
      > it:
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      > Plotinus, like Plato, sometimes has things to say about different stages
      >> of epistemological progress, so he describes objects in sense, opinion,
      >> and conceptual understanding as Here, whereas noesis contemplates
      >> intelligible reality There. It also seems to me that when one is in the
      >> noetic state of contemplating intelligible reality, one is There:
      >> returned returned
      >>> or returning to a metastasis (Intellect) transcendent to the one of
      >> mundane sensibles.
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      > It seems to me that this raises the question of the nature of the mystical
      > experience in Plotinus (assuming there is such a thing). Does the
      > successful philosopher's union take place with the One, with the
      > Intellect, with some other principle, or not at all?
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      > Michael Chase
      > CNRS UPR 76
      > Paris-Villejuif
      > France
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      Michael Chase
      CNRS UPR 76
      Paris-Villejuif
      France
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