603Re: Plotinus, "On Beaty" (1.6 )
- Apr 4, 2005--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Marina Kogan <mrnkogan@y...>
> Hi, everybody:as "completely shaped according to the form" and of the ugly as "not
> I am struggling with Plotinius' notion of the beautiful
completely dominated by shape" (1.2.16-18: tr. Armstrong). In a
sense, I understand his point (an illustration of it could be
Sartre's analysis of the obscene in his _Being and nothingness_).
Yet, taken without qualifications (as Plotinus introduces it), this
notion appears to me as counter-intuitive. For it seems to
presuppose that absolutely every form is beautiful (_qua_ form).
Which, of course, follows from Plotinus' basic point of view that
evil has no form. My question is, how one should take this.
> For in 1.6.45-50 Plotinus himself gives examples of bad ("kaka")I have been rather busy and meaning to reply to your posting, not
>ideas ("theo^re^mata"); and in 22.214.171.124 he seems to identify the
>bad with the ugly, and the good with the beautiful. How can one
>avoid the conclusion, then, that there are ugly ideas?
that I have an answer, but I do have a book-length study on Plotinus
and this subject which is relatively new, <Plotinus On Body and
Beauty> by Margaret R.Miles, Blackwell, 1999. She does refer to
these passages starting on p.37. As I say, I am not that familiar
with the primary text nor these issues raised by it, but I did want
at least to point out her book. Perhaps it will be of some help.
Or perhaps someone else could help? I fear the group is no longer
viable, since there have been so few postings of late - ? That would
be a pity, but que sera, sera.
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