37329RE: Re: [nelalist] Local lawmakers doing wrong by the L.A. River - dailynews.com
- Sep 12, 2013
Millions of people come here legally each year. They put in their applications and wait in line. It is not fair to them that some people come here illegally and jump the line. And, these illegal street vendors are breaking the law. So, you want to let them break the law so they do not commit more serious crimes? That is like saying allow bank robberies so they do not commit murder. One crime does not justify another.
It also comes down to quality of life issues. Illegal street vendors, illegal stealing recycles out of trash cans, illegal church noise, people here illegally forcing noise into my home when they broke the law. Those breaking the immigration laws should not have a voice in how legal citizens live their lives.
In your opinion speeding justifies that one does not drink and drive. Same concept. Same Idea.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, <email@example.com> wrote:My friend. I was not talking about the illegal street vendors that are selling food illegally. But however since you brought it up these people have to do something to earn a living, otherwise they might commit horrible crimes to people like us because they need money. Breaking and entering, carjacking, robbing and killing innocent people. You might say they need to go back where they came from. Until then they need to earn a living. It is the "American Dream". Remember Susan, we are the lucky ones because we were born on this side of the border.BelenIn a message dated 9/7/2013 10:34:43 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, car2532002@... writes:
There are plastic bags that degrade. Nothing wrong with paper bags either. There are strict laws on replacing trees with ones that are cut down. Reusable grocery bags (cloth) can also degrade.
For those really concerned they can compost, even though they still get charged the trash fees by the city whether you use their services or not.
And your comment about adjusting, I don't think you would think that people doing illegal street vending or illegally going through and stealing the city recycleables should shift to another line of work and do something else? Or, how about those that illegally come here? Should they not do that either? Who should do the adjusting here?
Tell those people to make some adjustments in life before telling those that do not break the law to do it.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, <email@example.com> wrote:For once you are right Susan. It's like this. Can you imagine if they said the same thing about DDT or lead in paint. We have to save the jobs in those industries? I think not. People do have to make adjustments in life. If you are working in a job that is illegal then you need to switch to one that is not. The other side of the coin is when all super market plastic bags are banned, then people will be using their reusable bags over and over. But wait. A lot of people won't want to wash them when they get really disgusting. What will they do? They will simply throw them in the trash. The land fills will take up much more space than any plastic bag. We use our disposable plastic bags to throw out trash. Now we will have to buy plastic bags to throw out our trash. Maybe we can have NASA launch all our trash out into outer space so they can become some kind of trash meteors. It's a never ending story.BelenIn a message dated 9/2/2013 10:49:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, car2532002@... writes:
As you mentioned the reason they voted against banning plastic bags was because jobs would be lost.
First plastic bags came in and we were told they were good because it would save trees. Now we are told they are bad. It all comes down to jobs. I support buying paper bags where you have to. Support jobs. And, for those that want to keep using their own reusable bags, please wash them!! Don't carry those germ filled bags to the store with you.
Support jobs. Buy the paper bags.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, <yosemite3231@...> wrote:Most politicians are puppets to the businesses, unions and corporations that benefit them. The so called “public servant” is almost non existent, yet people keep supporting them and bowing to them as if they are gods. Many of these politicians are just plain crooks that have no business in government. We cannot just put the blame on the politicians but in the apathy of the people that allow them to get away with their crimes.OlgaFrom: Christopher Howard <christohoward@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 6:39 PM
Subject: [nelalist] Local lawmakers doing wrong by the L.A. River - dailynews.com
Local lawmakers doing wrong by the L.A. River: Dennis R. Martinez
• Aug. 29, 2013
The story of Angelenos’ interaction with our natural world is not always a downward spiral. In fact, the carefully orchestrated revival of the L.A. River over the past two decades is a testament to civic imagination, intergovernmental cooperation and resilience by a fresh-water ecosystem.
Which is why the decision of three state senators from Eastside L.A. to kill the state bill banning single-use plastic bags is so appalling. These bags, recently banned by the city of Los Angeles and L.A. County, can still be found blowing along the riverbanks and caked on rocks and saplings along the waterway.
Yet state Sens. Kevin DeLeon, Ricardo Lara and Ron Calderon, all of whose districts adjoin the river, cast the deciding votes in May to sink the statewide ban and keep a steady flow of this discarded plastic scourge entering the waste stream and sullying the rebirth of the L.A. River.
The vote by these lawmakers flies in the face of policies of the city and county they represent. These policies are anchored in science about the long-term hazards of single-use bags and evidence that bans work. In parts of L.A. County where the 2010 ban took effect, reliance on single use bags has fallen by more than 90 percent. That alone could translate into 2 billion fewer discarded bags littering the local landscape each year, from Californians’ estimated yearly consumption of 14 billion. That’s millions of fewer plastic bags, which do not biodegrade, cluttering the river and its wildlife and billions fewer plastic globs and particles will sweep into the ocean, where fish and other creatures ingest them, crippling life cycles and creeping into our own food chain.
As an Eastsider myself, I take the vote by this trio to kill the state ban as an insult. It sets back our homegrown movement for cleanup of brownfields, enforcement of pollution standards and investment in good green jobs in the largely Latino and heavily immigrant neighborhoods that stretch from my home in East L.A. down to the estuary of the river near Long Beach.
Their votes are also a profile in cravenness, in a part of our county where the Bell corruption scandal echoes loudly. At the time of the vote, both Lara and DeLeon, who is angling to become Senate president, justified their vote as protecting jobs in several local plants that manufacture single-use grocery bags. Calderon has said little about his vote, given his engulfment in an FBI investigation about corruption in his office. DeLeon also received a subpoena to testify before the grand jury.
But a detailed investigation by researchers with the city of L.A. into claims of job losses at single-use bag makers belies the dire argument of the bags’ political defenders. Only 15 jobs, at one plant, are in jeopardy from local bans that opponents warned would idle hundreds or thousands. And the jeopardy posed to even these workers has more to do with factory owners’ failure to adapt to a changing market.
Each of these three also has close ties to a former Eastside lawmaker, Fabian Nuñez, who is a partner in a public affairs firm hired by plastic bag makers to squelch the state bill. DeLeon is Nuñez’ childhood friend and benefited from Nuñez’ vigorous backing to become a lawmaker. Lara worked for Nuñez for two years before taking a job with DeLeon and winning a seat himself.
DeLeon, Lara and Calderon are also among state lawmakers to receive generous campaign contributions from Hilex Poly, the South Carolina company that is the largest source of single-use bags in the country.
The L.A. River is a living, flowing counter-argument to any narrative of decline or despair. To squander our progress and investment in its ongoing revitalization by failing to curtail the flow of discarded plastic grocery bags into it is more than a willful failure. To put it in terms my Latino father might use, it’s a disgrace to our family — and it’s one that must be quickly made right and atoned for.
Dennis R. Martinez is a founding board member of the L.A. River Revitalization Corp..
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