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  • valerie
    From Valerie in Oz. I daresay when they saw dead relatives was when they passed beyond the veil, but of course they did come back. Not their time. Yes that
    Message 1 of 59 , May 1, 2011
       
      From Valerie in Oz.
       
      I daresay when they saw dead relatives was when they passed beyond the veil, but of course they did come back. Not their time. Yes that happens. I also was sent back, not wanted there either. 
       
       
       
       
      -------Original Message-------
       
      Date: 1/05/2011 5:34:01 AM
      Subject: [nde] Re: nde
       
       


      > i do not doubt people have left there body in operations and lived to
      > tell what there saw the only doubt i have is when they say they saw
      > dead relatives

      Hmm, and what about when those dead relatives impart messages to their
      family members?- like the info John Edwards gives people? Just
      wondering what your take on that was. ~Kat

       

      Font: Jester

    • Bruce Budden
      Hey Helen... I know of people whom have had a traumatic experience and they never had a nde. It is just relevant to their path not to have had one. Others have
      Message 59 of 59 , Feb 28, 2015
        Hey Helen...

        I know of people whom have had a traumatic experience and they never had a nde. It is just relevant to their path not to have had one. Others have mentioned that they did have a nde but I would label it as more of a "close call" so to say where they were in some sort of "accident" in which they could have been killed.




        PHEWwww...,,,Thank you Bruce And A big
        hug
        Helen
         
        To: nde@yahoogroups.com
        From: nde@yahoogroups.com
        Date:
        Wed, 25 Feb 2015 19:26:08 -0800
        Subject: RE:
        [nde] nde
















         











        Hey Helen...



        imho,.... either this is a fake commentary or this person
        did not have an nde.



        Yes, we do live on in a metaphysical way......



        Yes, we separate from our egoic consciousness ( our
        perceived world ) and return to our spiritual consciousness
        more enlightened because of our earthly experience.



        Yes, death is only a man-made concept for the eogic
        consciousness cannot see past the lifeless earthly body, the
        egoic consciousness only knows what it experiences.



        ;o) Bruce.















        Now This Scares Me

         

        This is what it's like to be dead,

        according to a guy who died for a bit


        The Independent

        Christopher

        Hooton 5 hrs ago














        © Getty

        It's a fascination with life

        that's at the root of our fascination with death. 
        Do

        we live on in some sort of metaphysical way? Do we

        experience anything comparable to what we call

        'consciousness'?Death is only a man-made term

        after all. For some a beginning, for some an end, and
        for

        many simply a state of disrepair when medicine gives

        up.Consciousness is something neither science nor

        philosophy can adequately define and it takes a living
        being

        to experience it, so perhaps someone who spent a short
        while

        medically dead is our best insight into post-life.A

        man who died twice for about two minutes at a time, once

        from a motorcycle accident, once from an overdose of

        painkillers, gave an AMA on Reddit today and fielded

        questions on his experience.On the sensation

        of death."I had no idea, it was just

        black emptiness. No thoughts, no consciousness,

        nothing."Both times I was just "not

        there". It was just all black. I would describe it
        as

        when you take a nap. A short nap with no dream, you wake
        up

        and it feels like you've been sleeping a long time,
        when

        in reality it's only been about 15

        minutes."The only reason I know is because the

        doctors were obligated to share the information with me.

        "So yeah, you were dead for a couple of minutes,
        just

        FYI" hahaha."So if the doctors wouldn't

        have said anything I would've just thought that I took
        a

        dreamless nap."On whether he really

        experienced 'black emptiness' or if this was
        just

        how his memory filled in the

        'blank'."It was definitely not

        just a gap. Much like a dreamless nap, you don't
        just

        wake up and feel like time just jumped ahead. You know
        that

        you've been asleep for a while. At the same time,
        you

        can't really remember experiencing anything at all,

        unless you had a dream."So yes and no. I

        experienced something, and that something was

        nothing."On the sensation of

        dying."The first time was right before

        the accident and the only thing in my mind was 'oh

        f***'."The second time I had no idea. I was

        in pain and all of a sudden there was nothing, just no
        life.

        Then I was awake and in pain again."On

        whether the different causes of death yielded different

        experiences.The two experiences were

        exactly the same. The only difference is that the
        accident

        one, I remember the seconds before a lot more clear. The

        second time, I was in so much pain that I wasn't
        really

        fully aware of my surroundings if you understand what I

        mean.On other people's reports of

        near-death experiences.I think that in

        their cases, their minds were still active. What they

        experienced was just a sort of dream.On

        being told he had died."Well my first

        reaction was 'Omg, that's cool! Now I can tell
        my

        friends that I've been dead and come back to life

        etc' but most of those thoughts were the morhpine

        talking."Then reality sets in, and I realized

        that 'wow, I could've been dead right now.'

        That's when I started to understand how serious my

        situation really was."I definitely fear it less.

        I know now that death is nothing worse than sleeping.
        When

        you die, you just stop existing, nothing to worry

        about!"On religion and the

        afterlife."I have always been an

        atheist, but I have always had a part of me that hoped
        there

        was a God or Heaven or something greater than us. I
        mean,

        who wouldn't want there to be a Heaven?"I am

        still an atheist, and now I know that there is no such
        thing

        as God or Heaven. At least not for me. My reasoning
        behind

        that is no God would ever put a person and family
        through

        such a experience."I am an Atheist, and always

        will be. But I believe that your belief is your belief.
        The

        only thing we can share is our own experiences and let

        people make up their own mind. People need to stop
        forcing

        their own beliefs onto others."On

        approaching life after death."All I

        want to accomplish in life is to have fun and make other

        people's lives better as best as I can."No

        personal achievement will matter to me once I'm
        dead,

        the only thing that will live on after my death will be
        my

        impact on the people that are still alive. And hopefully
        my

        impact will be positive!"In

        summary:"Death is death. Once your

        dead, that's it, it's

        over."...said the man who died

        twice.





        To: nde@yahoogroups.com

        From: nde@yahoogroups.com

        Date:

        Wed, 11 Feb 2015 21:45:06 -0500

        Subject: Re:

        [nde] nde

































         

























        Dear VG, I like the quote very much.. But I
        sometimes

        wonder about

        our earthly identity. I no longer feel connected to
        the

        person I was

        when I was 10 years old.. Or the person I was when I
        was

        20 years

        old.. I do believe we will continue to have an
        identity

        in the after

        life.. But I feel we will be free of a human

        thinking/feeling

        identity..  I do believe that we 'each'
        will

        benefit from our

        earthly experiences but we will be more knowingly

        connected to the

        'whole'..







        Does this even make sense? Somehow I do believe this
        is

        true.. But

        it is just a belief.  I realize that I am only
        seeking

        the truth,

        even though I know I will only get a glimpse of the

        truth while

        having this earthly experience.



        Noni



        On

        2/12/2015 12:39 AM, VenuG

        akvenugopal@...

        [nde] wrote:





         







        Sri.Nisargadatta

        Maharaj teaches that one will loose the

        earth bound

        identification also after some time. May
        be

        few hours or

        few days. He does not specify. Maharaj

        himself had a

        near death experience.

        But

        if we can believe even a small fraction
        of

        the things

        reported as After Death Communications,
        then

        our earthly

        identity is surviving.







        "Wisdom

        is knowing I am nothing,



        Love is knowing I am everything,



        and between the two my life moves."




        ― Nisargadatta

        Maharaj

        Regards

        vg



















        From:

        "Kiwanis kiwanis@...

        [nde]"

        <nde@yahoogroups.com>



        To:

        "nde@yahoogroups.com"

        <nde@yahoogroups.com>





        Sent:

        Thursday, 12 February 2015 8:58 AM



        Subject:

        Re: [nde] nde













         







        It

        is my opinion that the
        human

        mind

        influences only the

        beginning of the

        Dying Experience. How
        long

        is the

        beginning part of the
        dying

        process? I

        don't think anyone

        knows, since time

        doesn't even exist.
        We

        only hear about

        the 'after
        death'

        reports from those who

        came back while still in
        the

        beginning

        part of the dying
        process.

        Perhaps, What

        happens to us -soon after
        we

        leave our

        bodies-  MAY depend on
        how

        much we try

        to hold on to our
        desires,

        things,

        addictions and strong

        beliefs. 

        Noni























        On Feb 11, 2015, at
        3:35

        PM, Larry

        Zane Kennedy
        larry_kennedy@...

        [nde]
        <nde@yahoogroups.com>

        wrote:











         



        Are NDE's

        affected by the

        human mind,
        since

        the characters

        are so variable?

        Lar







































































































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