Re: New Survey
- To clarify the survey: Nanotechnology in it's fullest capability, where it
is considered for life extension, easier space travel and home nanomachines.
(The whole shabang)
>From: "J. R. Molloy" <jr@...>(Survey)
>By "full blown" do you mean ubiquitous and omnipresent, or just capable of
>making gold from raw sewage?
- Okay, thanks for the clarification.
From: Gina Miller <nanogirl@...>
To: firstname.lastname@example.org <email@example.com>
Date: Saturday, September 04, 1999 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nanotech] New Survey
>From: "Gina Miller" <nanogirl@...>nanomachines.
>To clarify the survey: Nanotechnology in it's fullest capability, where it
>is considered for life extension, easier space travel and home
>(The whole shabang)
>>From: "J. R. Molloy" <jr@...>
>>By "full blown" do you mean ubiquitous and omnipresent, or just capable of
>>making gold from raw sewage?
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> From: "J. R. Molloy" <jr@...>Nanotech doesnt do this, J.R. Diamonds from raw sewage perhaps,
> By "full blown" do you mean ubiquitous and omnipresent, or just capable of
> making gold from raw sewage?
but not gold. No transmutation of elements. spike
- Given the propensity for our government's research
priorities to favor national security and secret
programs to develop projects in that light, it
seems probable that any truly useful adaptations
of nanotechnology will be produced with the
resource of unlimited funding for black projects.
This presupposes that there will be a quantum
leap of imaginative and successful progress in
someone's garage or a locally supported lab.
If you don't believe that NSA spooks aren't
watching the nanotechnology boards and websites I
have some bridges in the Bay area I'd like to sell
The obvious solution to a scenario such as I have
illustrated here is some very dedicated grass
roots projects to support the brightest and best
minds in the field. This means funding for
competitive salaries for project directors,
scientists and technicians. This may be possible
with support of private and corporate foundations
to nonprofit research projects. Nonprofit however,
does not mean unpaid.
With the appropriate support for a project with
realistic and attainable goals I don't think we
should have to wait 10 years to see some dramatic
progress in the fundamental work of designing a
molecular assembler. "Full-blown" influences will
depend on how fast the spooks get their hand on
the results. They flew the F-117 for over 6 years
(and in combat) before we ever got to see one!
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> Subject: [nanotech] New Survey
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> There is a new survey for the nanotech
> When will nanotechnology be full blown?
> Possible answers are:
> o Five years
> o Ten years
> o Fifteen years
> o Twenty years
> o Thirty years
> o Forty years
> o Fifty years
> o Sixty years
> o Not in our lifetime
> o Never
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- At 7:46 AM -0700 9/5/99, Alan Heaberlin wrote:
>The obvious solution to a scenario such as I haveSo the question becomes how to identify the project with realistic and
>illustrated here is some very dedicated grass
>roots projects to support the brightest and best
>minds in the field. This means funding for
>competitive salaries for project directors,
>scientists and technicians. This may be possible
>with support of private and corporate foundations
>to nonprofit research projects. Nonprofit however,
>does not mean unpaid.
>With the appropriate support for a project with
>realistic and attainable goals I don't think we
>should have to wait 10 years to see some dramatic
>progress in the fundamental work of designing a
attainable goals and then how to obtain appropriate support.
I've been involved with discussions to start nanotechnology-related
enterprises several times over the past 12 years. I've also worked closely
with the Foresight Institute over much of this period.
A principal problem that I've observed is that it is impossible to attract
substantial amounts of money unless there is already a mature business plan
such that investors can expect to recoup their money in 2 to 5 years.
Unfortunately, the basic technology leading to nanotechnology is still in
the research phase, so it is likely that commercial products would be many
years away. It might take 5 to 10 years of research to identify a pathway
clearly leading to an assembler, and this research might or might not lead
to saleable products in the interim. In the most serious attempt in which I
was involved, the principals could not afford financially to quit their
"day jobs" to do the large job of developing their ideas to the point of
having a mature proposal to attract investors.
As for a non-profit foundation to advance nanotechnology, that is a pretty
good description of the Foresight Institute and the Institute for Molecular
Manufacturing. Yet both of these organizations founded by Eric Drexler have
been cash-starved. After more than 10 years promoting nanotechnology, their
total budget is not more than a few hundred thousand dollars per year, and
the large gifts that they have been able to attract are in the 10,000 to
100,000 dollar range. Their efforts have been devoted to exploring ways to
develop nanotechnology, developing policy for regulating nanotechnology,
use of web annotations to encourage better critical discussions, pursuit of
open source software to ensure software that is up to the job of handling
nanodevice networks, etc. The hope is now that discussions leading to
concrete proposals will occur at senior associate gatherings:
So it is more than a bit frustrating that with all that Foresight and IMM
have accomplished, both are still so minimally funded that they must devote
most of their time and energy to trying to attract more senior associates
to keep from going broke. I don't know what the problems are, but some
1. philanthrophists wealthy enough to make a real difference are either too
technophobic or too short-sighted to be interested.
2. the myriad problems associated with developing nanotechnology are so
difficult and complex that noone has been able to elucidate a compelling
3. Foresight and IMM have not communicated their cases clearly and to the
I think further discussion of these topics would be useful and interesting.
James B. Lewis, Ph.D. James B. Lewis Enterprises
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