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Re: [nanotech] Re: Nanotechnology and Social Security

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  • KAZ
    ... Bush and his thieving friends, who do seem to have taken the GOP hostage, definitely want people to invest more in the private economy. And they almost
    Message 1 of 53 , Jan 12, 2005
      --- Ken Ellis <kennethellis@...> wrote:

      > One point is: Bush and his GOP thieving friends want to do their
      > friends on Wall St. a big favor by getting us peons to gamble even
      > more of our hard earned dollars in the stock market. To get us to
      > do this, they promote the old ways of thinking, based on the same
      > old technologies we use today.

      Bush and his thieving friends, who do seem to have taken the GOP hostage,
      definitely want people to invest more in the private economy. And they almost
      certainly want it to happen because of their own selfish reasons, regardless
      of any other effects.

      But, ironically, they accidentally parallel the needs of the actual society,
      in this case. Private investment creates wealth, something government cannot
      do in any comparable way. Every dollar "invested" in government bonds or
      notes is wasted, pissed away in government spending...while private
      investment is intended to create new wealth, and often succeeds in doing so,
      and thus truly pays for itself.

      > But, the nanotech revolution will completely turn society upside
      > down, abolish class distinctions, abolish POLITICAL government,
      > abolish rule by property interests, abolish property, make
      > everyone equal, and do everything today's reactionaries don't
      > want to happen.

      Do you really think the rulers have enough sense to allow this to happen?
      They, historically, prefer to have a larger percentage of a tiny pie, rather
      than a much larger slice constituting a smaller percentage of a gigantic pie.

      Nothing, by the way, can abolish property. Physics ensures this. The idea
      that something's magically wrong with property is a scam used by the greedy,
      politicians for example, to trick others into ceding control of theirs to
      said politicians.

      In real life, property is a fact of reality itself. If there's a tree growing
      outside which a passing stranger wants to cut down for firewood, your
      neighbor wants to cut down next summer to make furniture, and YOU want to
      keep for the fruit it will bear every year from now on, ONE of you, or
      someone else, must decide what will happen to that tree.

      Whatever force decides, OWNS the tree. All objects of scarcity MUST be
      property, if they're not being ignored entirely.

      > In fact, Marx's concept of a classless and
      > stateless society will be realized, much to the disappointment
      > of those who can't live happily without exploiting other humans.

      OK, now that's just silly, especially considering how a Marxian society would
      still be building carriages by hand in steam-driven factories, not talking
      about nanotech based on technology that only a relative free market could
      have produced so quickly.

      MARX, himself, was one of the biggest exploiters of other humans, and ever
      single government which has used a descendant of his scam has demonstrated
      that. And I don't mean in the sense that Engels was a factory owner who used
      violence and force to keep his own workers from forming unions.

      Examine the three volumes of Capital, and the entire Manifesto, and the rest
      of the actual documents by or contemporaneous to Marx. What he actually was
      working toward was a more authoritarian government, with himself as
      ruler...the latter being why he was so willing to pretty much destroy the
      Internationale in order to wrest control away from Bakunin and the rest of
      the ACTUAL anarchists, who actually believe in the stuff you're talking
      about. The Soviet Union actually worked almost exactly as Marx described when
      NOT tossing a bone to the Anarchists in order to suck support away from their
      leaders.

      > If you don't like my prediction, then all I can do is tender my
      > apology in advance, but there's nothing you can say that will get
      > me to alter my ideas, and probably vice versa. We come from 2 very
      > different perspectives, and that's the way it's likely to remain.

      Actually, I'm interested in the Truth, regardless of what it is. For
      perspective to control one's understanding of a situation in more than a
      physics-based way is a form of stupidity. Even when I profitted from
      government bureaucracy/socialism, for example, I was able to recognize how
      harmful it was, and how much it stagnates knowledge and technology.

      > Wishing you the very best of luck in preserving the unpreservable,

      Marx' rubes have been predicting this for 160 years, now, and have ALWAYS
      been wrong. They ended up having to FORCE brutal, elitist governments on
      populations NOT where capitalism reigned, but only in places which lacked it,
      because economic freedom is so superior to socialism. The US and Britain were
      supposed to be the FIRST places to fall, being the most infected with
      capitalism (which even Marx described as having economic freedom as its core
      trait), and yet it was the places which were already pretty much
      socialized/communist, like Russia and China, which were the only ones to go
      that way.

      Central planning simply can't function effectively at all. There's no history
      of it doing so, and there are physical reasons why this is the case. A
      thousand average people can add numbers faster than the ten most brilliant
      mathematicians working together, because of sheer volume. Economic freedom
      works better than central planning for just that reason. Socialism can't even
      function well enough to keep its vassals alive, much less keep up with a free
      market economy.

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    • Michael Kern
      Seig Heil! I am der Topik Nazi , und I komand dat der politik nonesense halt. Do it now. Avidasein. -Engineer_MK, KAZs topic nazi. KAZ
      Message 53 of 53 , Jan 21, 2005
        Seig Heil!
        I am der "Topik Nazi", und I komand dat der politik nonesense halt. Do it now.
        Avidasein.
        -Engineer_MK, KAZs' topic nazi.

        KAZ <kazvorpal@...> wrote:

        Yes, but do either of you have the actual authority on this list to be Topic Nazis?

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