1626Re: [nanotech] Re: screaming memies -- Memes vs. ideas
- Jan 2, 2001Mark Gubrud wrote:
>Protein coats? Now you're being deliberately dense. It's similiarity,
> Yeah, and it's sure a _lot_ shorter than "ideas spreading like viruses,
> except that they're not exactly like viruses, because they don't have
> protein coats, and they don't force you to make their parts so they can
> self-assemble and launch back into the air, and people tend to spread themOf course they make you act as a vector, they make you blab about a
nifty idea, thus encoding the information virus (or symbiont) into
its transport form (it has several, including hosts imitating behaviour),
until it hits a susceptible target, gets translated back into its
canonical genotype, changes in neural circuitry, and starts expressing
its phenotype, one of which goes something like "hey, I recently become
illuminated, and a burning thorn bush spoke in a thunderous
voice to me [...] now go forth, and preach upon the herd as I hath
preached upon ye, and do no cease until every single infidel is
converted, or they have slain thee (but preferably, slay the particularly
hardy cases by yourself, and of course you're protected by God Himself,
so you're virtually invulnerable, but just in case you should manage
to be killed: you will sit to the right side side of the Deity henceforth,
in eternity, amen). And yeah -- the Deity will indeed get pissed &
will smite thee with a lightning bolt of divine wrath, in case you change
a single iota of this Scripture".
> for other purposes not necessarily explicit in their content, and peopleA thing has a certain meaning in one context, and will shift meaning
in another. If this alters meme's virulence, then it just has a lousy
> receiving them often understand them differently than the people who sentSure, errors in transcription. This is called mutation, and creates diversity,
> them... well, see, they're really like genes, see, except they don't have
which has positive, negative or neutral impact on fitness.
> any of the structure of genetics and neither does their evolution... butWhy? They do have genotype and phenotype. They replicate, and mutate.
They get selected for fitness. They interact, building meme clusters.
Their hosts coevolve with them.
> that's the point, don't you see, they _evolve_, ideas spread from personIt's not a concept's fault that airheads are picking it up, and running with
> to person and they _evolve_, cause like, some are successful and others
> die out ... just like viruses and plants and societies and like, Wow man."
it. Obviously you're immune to the meme meme, at least in the mutated
form you so far came into contact with.
> > Um, don't you feel kinda silly claiming "meme" has no meaningI disagree here. You're being pretty hard on the concept, here. No
> > nor conveys any information whatsoever?
> It's pseudoscientific cult jargon that usually conveys no more meaning
> than a secret handshake. It's also Dawkins' reification of a completely
one claimed it to be scientific, it's threshold at best.
> trivial observation, which explains little and nothing of much interest.Well, I don't think Blackmoore's book only contains trivialities. But let's
just agree to disagree here.
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