1615Re: Memes vs. miruses
- Jan 1, 2001--- In email@example.com, Mark Gubrud <mgubrud@s...> wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Jan 2001, Andrew Martin wrote:influential?
> > > > > How can we package our ideas so they will spread and be
> > There's a distinct analogy here of creating mental virii, memes,
> > operate like computer virii.analogy...?
> So maybe we should be talking about mirii.
> > > > > What useful insight do you gain from the genetics
> I still haven't gotten an answer.
> > My analogy is more towards packaged memes/ideas being like
> > They are typically infectious, like genes packaged in virusshells.
> Yeah, but this analogy has its limits, too. Ideas aren't little
>Aren't they? A cell, ie a neuron, can be viewed as a little machine;
so can a group of neurons and the connections between them. An idea
is the physical manifestation of a meme in a human brain, formed as
connections are made or lost.
> > Studies of the history of religion and cults should be able derivecomparing the
> > equivalents to Mendel's laws, show something of mutations, and
> > historical courses of several of them should show details ofrecombination
> > and manipulation.have
> Why would anything analogous to Mendel's laws show up? You don't
> homologous pairs. Mutuations, recombinations, and deliberatemanipulation
> can all be said to occur in ideological systems, but in a completelyof
> unstructured and unrestricted way, subject only to the particulars
> fact, logic, and psychology. I still see no abstract science ofchanges that
> "memetics" that would impose any restrictions on the type of
> occur or make any specific predictions about what changes willoccur.
> > That's correct. Neither does the book I'm mentioned. But then
> > discovered his laws by observation and experimentation. Byobserving
> > history, it should be possible to induce memetic laws for societyas well.
> Perhaps, but until someone actually succeeds in doing this, you
> science, merely babble about a hypothetical future science.
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