RE: [mythsoc] Ellison
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From: Stolzi@... [mailto:Stolzi@...]
Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [mythsoc] Ellison
In a message dated 2/1/2003 12:00:46 AM Central Standard Time,
> Just off the Islets of Langerhans, Latitude Something or Other, Longitude
> Something Else." (I'm too tired to look up the exact numbers in the
> He said that they were mentioned in the move _King Kong_ as being the
> location of Skull Island. Apparently he made up this up on the spot,
> there's no such mention in the movie and, besides, the address is actually
> about 50 feet south of the corner of 2nd and H Street NE in Washington,
>Where the Islets of Langerhans probably ARE found from time to time.
*** But not always the same Islets.... Hundredes of different ones each
day, I should think.
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- At 11:59 PM 2/2/2003 , Max Rible wrote:
>> > ...Michael Swanwick...Some of Swanwick's short stories are clever, and he's written some
>Try _The Iron Dragon's Daughter_ or _Stations of the Tide_. Should
>be available in a used bookstore for cheap.
halfway-decent fantasy criticism, but a few pages of _The Iron Dragon's
Daughter_ sent me away determined never to return. A few people were
trying to promote that as the next great genre-defining fantasy. It didn't
really take that role, but if it did, count me out.
- David Bratman
- On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 08:46, David S. Bratman wrote:
> Some of Swanwick's short stories are clever, and he's written someThe only comparable book I can think of is Ian McDonald's _Desolation
> halfway-decent fantasy criticism, but a few pages of _The Iron Dragon's
> Daughter_ sent me away determined never to return. A few people were
> trying to promote that as the next great genre-defining fantasy. It didn't
> really take that role, but if it did, count me out.
Road_, which is a novel about the colonization of Mars done in a
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Ernest> Potlatch, that's local, isn't it? I mean, local to me, here
Ernest> in Seattle, at least part of the time; maybe it jumps around
Ernest> the West Coast. At least, I remember or think I remember it
Ernest> met once at a hotel in Wallingford.
Potlach is, indeed, a migratory West Coast con.
[http://www.potlatch-sf.org/%5d Potlach 9 (2000) was in Seattle, as was
Potlach 11 (2002). That is, according to the Potlach website they
were. I've never been, having found out about it about a wk after
last yr's con.
Looks like Potlach is in San Francisco this yr.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David S Bratman" <dbratman@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [mythsoc] Ellison
[on the prospect of getting insulted by Harlan Ellison]
> Somehow I've never considered tongue-lashings to be pleasurable
> experiences, even long afterwards.
Who said anything about pleasurable? Memorable, I said. And great currency
at parties; a flaying from Ellison is probably worth ten stories about car
accidents or digging through the dumpster for my retainer in junior high
> And a great shame, too. Pre-1980s Asimov is by far my favorite of all the
> SF writers of his generation (the ones who arrived in the 1937-49
> Campbellian period). Yes, I like that old Foundation trilogy, but it was
> the first book-length SF I ever read, at age 15.
The problem--one of the problems--with the Foundation stories is that
Asimov, often unable or unwilling to _show_ us the resolution of the crises
he has set up, resorts to long conversation scenes in which we're told,
rather than shown, that the crisis is resolved. The last story in the
original _Foundation_ provides one of the most egregious examples: Hober
Mallow invites his enemy Sutt over for tea and tells him, and us, at length
that he's solved the latest Seldon crisis--and that's that. Also, Asimov
has a rather strange idea of psychology.
> Is it fashionable to deride _Neuromancer_? Not anywhere that I've been,
> but perhaps I don't get out much.
I'm thinking mostly of r.a.sf.written, where I don't think I saw a single
positive comment about _Neuromancer_ in three years. Gibson was universally
derided for his computer illiteracy and his inability to follow up on the
success of _Neuromancer_.
> Nor did I find the prose too memorable...
I'll never forget many of the scenes from _Neuromancer_, particularly Case's
dream of knocking down the wasp's nest, and seeing the Tessier-Ashpool logo
embossed on the side. (I'm not sure why that scene is the one I can least
forget.) You're right, _Neuromancer_ is more style than story; individual
scenes work, but the whole is less than the sum of its parts. But compare
_Neuromancer_ to _Snow Crash_--urgh, there's a _bad_ book.
> Do you like classical music? I gathered from an earlier post of yours
> mentioning it that it had been stuffed down your throat by your parents
> you wound up disliking it.
Not disliking it, just not liking it as much. About half my LP collection
is classical music, though these days I listen more to rock. I'll elaborate
> You beat me, then. I didn't give up on popular music entirely until I was
> about 27 (which was 1984, so it's hardly comparable), took immediately to
> pocket calculators and electric typewriters (neither of which were
> available, at least to me, when I first could have used them), and prefer
> FM radio to AM because there's more classical music on it.
I liked the Selectric; that's a good typewriter, and I'm convinced that I
can type about 20 wpm faster on it than on any other machine. I also own a
"Coronamatic" or similar Smith-Corona electric, with manual-style typebars
and shifting, but I don't like it as much. Word processing, though, has
probably defiled my writing habits permanently, and it would be hard for me
now to return to typewriting.
Perhaps we can meet someday at Potlatch. Probably not this year, because I
have no money to travel to San Francisco.