- In a message dated 1/1/03 4:14:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> I'm intrigued that the film mirrors the story in that it seems to be gettingMichael Moorcock, I think, quotes Fritz Leiber about the books. They both
> as it goes along. It has always seemed odd to me, though not in a bad way,
> both /The Hobbit/ and LotR change in style over the course of the story.
> They get
> nobler and more mature as they go along
agree that after the first book, there isn't much to remember. Yet fans of
the book share your view. The critics seem to have special disdain for The
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- Leiber?! Lieber Himmel!
> Michael Moorcock, I think, quotes Fritz Leiber about the books. They bothNot much to remember. Not remember Treebeard, and his heart-rending song of the Ent-wives? Not remember beautiful Henneth Annun? Not remember the witch-king leading his army from Minas Morgul? Shelob? The tower of Cirith Ungol? Sam
> agree that after the first book, there isn't much to remember. Yet fans of
> the book share your view. The critics seem to have special disdain for The
> Two Towers.
glimpsing a star in the sky over Mordor? The destruction of the One Ring? The Path of the Dead? The siege of Minas Tirith? The pyre of Denethor? Eowyn and Merry teaming up to defeat the witch-king? The love story of Faramir and Eowyn?
The scouring of the Shire?
Moorcock and Leiber should have themselves screened for Alzheimer's before it's too late.
David J. Finnamore
Nashville, TN, USA
"We never remember what is important, only what matters to us." - Suzanne Finnamore, /Otherwise Engaged/
> Moorcock and Leiber should have themselves screened forWell, in the case of Fritz Leiber, he has been dead well over 5 years
> Alzheimer's before it's too late.
> David J. Finnamore
> Nashville, TN, USA
now---probably a decade or so...
- Here's what Leiber actually wrote. He wrote this in 1969:
"There's no arguing that a vast number of people - intelligent, educated,
and sensitive people, I mean - young and old (but especially the former) -
are tremendously and enduringly enthusiastic about Tolkien's trilogy, yet I
do meet quite a few whose reactions are much like my own. We almost always
start with, 'The ents are great! Oh boy, yes. And that first part of the
quest with the black riders in the distance and Strider a mystery -- that's
great too. Oh and yes, the first appearances of the Nazgul and the Balrog
...' At about which point the silence begins and we search our memories
and look at each other rather guiltily -- exciting things _should_ spring
to mind, but they don't."
I do not rank this among the great dumb things said about Tolkien, because
Leiber is reporting his own opinion and those of some people he's talked
to. He is not claiming that the reaction is universal (e.g. Rushdie's
"Nobody ever read Tolkien for the language") or that he's discovered some
great truth about LOTR.
All I can say is that, while I've certainly met many people who've read
LOTR but were not particularly enthusiastic about it, none have ever said
to me that the book's problem for them was a lack of memorable
scenes. Either they weren't really fantasy fans at all (not Leiber's
problem), or they found the book too slow or stiffly-worded.
Source: Leiber is quoted by Lin Carter in his book _Imaginary Worlds_
(Ballantine, 1973, p. 116), same source as the Carter quotes I provided
- David Bratman