Re: Large economy size Hobbits?
- I see no problem with hobbits walking 20 miles in a day. I think whether one can
walk 20 miles depends not as much on one's physical size as on one's physical
condition. At first, the hobbits in TLOR did not cover much ground, but as they got
used to the journey and "tightened their belts" they were able to cover more
Walking serves as a common theme/device in much English literature, precisely
because it was both a means of transportation and a means of relaxation/holiday
occupation. We Americans--those Americans on this list--have tended to forget the
value and benefits of walking, largely because we rely so heavily on the
Diane Baker wrote:
> From: Diane Baker <dianejoy@...>--
> Stolzi@... wrote:
> > From: Stolzi@...
> > In a message dated 08/29/1999 12:02:12 AM Central Daylight Time,
> > sschaper@... writes:
> > > Shrinking them down seems problematic to me. There are certain laws
> > > of physics that will be violated enough
> > > for us to feel that it just doesn't seem right. Speed of movement,
> > > gravity, etc will be off, and our brains will notice.
> > Well, Steve, as you probably know, the "tiny fairies" are a joke of mine
> > (since Tolkien so abominated them); but the Hobbits =are= going to be shrunk
> > down from normal size actors. I think their heads will look noticeably tiny;
> > human children in reality, and Hobbits as drawn by most artists, have larger
> > heads in proportion than human adults. And maybe their arms and legs will
> > seem a bit spidery...?
> > It will be interesting to see what size is chosen. My friend and fellow
> > Tolkien freak here, and I, did a little thinking and experimenting. Three
> > feet is very, very, small. Four feet is more manageable for interaction -
> > but JRRT has only exceptional Hobbits attaining that height. Yet he has even
> > ordinary-size Hobbits walking twenty miles in a day, and leaping a =seven
> > foot wide chasm= in Moria. (OK, pretty desperate Hobbits, but still...)
> I recall JJRT said that Bandaboras Took was five feet four and could
> ride a horse. That would be an exceptional hobbit. Since I am 5' 4" and
> rather rotund, I'd make a rather interesting hobbit, if a large economy
> sized one. I have ridden a horse on one or more occasions, but none too
> successfully. JRRT never does say *how well* the Took rode, of course!
> Definite discrepancy of short folk walking twenty miles a day, and
> jumping wide ditches---Poul Anderson could easily snicker, since he
> writes about such mistakes in "Of Thud and Blunder." I guess even
> master craftsmen make mistakes! ---djb.
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- In a message dated 08/31/1999 7:13:45 AM Central Daylight Time,
> I recall JJRT said that Bandaboras Took was five feet four and couldUnfortunately Diane's recollection is slightly off. "According to the Red
> ride a horse. That would be an exceptional hobbit.
Book, Bandobras Took (Bullroarer) ... was four foot five and able to ride a
Pippin, arriving in Minas Tirith after the Entdraughts, gives his height as
"but four feet and not likely to grow any more." Yet he is supposed to have
notably grown after the Entdraughts, and indeed to have surpassed Bullroarer.
Thus he has grown as much as six inches and not noticed! You'd think he'd
notice his pants not fitting right. (Did they have dressing-room mirrors in
It is at least implied by JRRT that Pippin and Merry become taller than
Bullroarer. Does anyone know where their final stature is given, and what it
- In a message dated 08/31/1999 8:39:56 AM Central Daylight Time,
> I think whether one canIt's =length of stride= that concerns me, mostly. But what would I know?
> walk 20 miles depends not as much on one's physical size as on one's
I'm totally unathletic.
- I find on discussions with my friend who =really= knows the story, that
Pippin and Merry got another chance at ent-draughts while on their way North
and home after the War of the Ring. When they speak with Bilbo at Rivendell,
they tell him that they may decide to rival Bullroarer in height, as he is
rivaling the Old Took in age.
Before that, at the Field of Cormallen, Sam swears that they have grown
"three inches" since he last saw them.
So it would seem that the growth was gradual, perhaps three inches for each
stay with the Ents, so that when the final 6th inch was entered, Pippin would
indeed at 4 feet 6 inches overtop Bullroarer's 4 ' 5 ".
However, I am still worried about the average-sized Hobbit handling a
=full-sized cart horse= (not riding it, rather driving it as it pulls a sort
of omnibus-cart full of halflings) in one of Sylvia Hunnewell's pictures for
the BreeMoot program book.
Settling the important questions of our day,