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  • grannygreek
    Thank-you both very much!! That was really helpful. I have surprised by joy, but hadn t read it yet - I m reading it now though! Yes, it s interesting how
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      Thank-you both very much!! That was really helpful. I have surprised
      by joy, but hadn't read it yet - I'm reading it now though! Yes, it's
      interesting how Northernness can be diferent yet the same in
      different parts of the world.

      Thanks again!
      Jenny.

      --- In mythsoc@y..., Steve Schaper <sschaper@U...> wrote:
      > On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 11:57, mythsoc@y... wrote:
      > >
      > > Message: 1
      > > Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 21:20:01 -0000
      > > From: "grannygreek" <grannygreek@h...>
      > > Subject: northerness
      > > I was wondering if someone could help me. I'm writing a story at
      the
      > > minute and the setting is Northern (I guess I'd say it was the
      > > ancient North of Ireland at a push, but really just the North in
      > > general). My particular feeling on mythology and the North would
      be
      > > that it is harsh, but very real, and the mythology is embedded
      deep
      > > in the conciousness of the people, in fact it is so deep that it
      >
      > > Message: 2
      > > Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 15:47:57 -0700
      > > From: "David S. Bratman" <dbratman@s...>
      >
      > > Message: 3
      > > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:35:02 -0400
      > > From: Old.Ghost@j...
      > > Subject: Re: Tolkien & trees, Potter & LotR and humor
      > > Between the desire for farmland, the desire
      > > for pretty wooden things and the ever-present threat of fire, how
      many
      > > wild and ancient trees can survive? Someone once described a
      suburb a
      >
      > Here on the northern prairie, we -plant- trees, and lots of them, to
      > protect our farmsteads from the near-constant winds, and especially
      from
      > winter's blast. Northernness -here- manifests in a different way, I
      > think, but I suspect similar to ancient Scandinavia and Britain.
      Nature
      > is not kind. Nature can kill, in the winter, quite easily. Humans
      don't
      > see each other as the enemy, as they do in the southlands. Rather,
      it is
      > the elements that they band together against. It isn't that nature
      is
      > evil, nor ugly - it is beautiful, but surviving winters takes
      selfless
      > helping of others without thinking about it. So there is a sense of
      > community, real community, not political posturing, and struggle
      against
      > the elements, even while appreciating the beauty of nature. It is a
      > world of building, not of lazing. Of challenge and struggle, but not
      > against other people. Against the wind, and the snow, and the ice,
      and
      > whatever lies behind those howls you hear in the eaves at night.
      Tolkien
      > actually had very little of that in LoTR. Joel Rosenberg (I think
      it is)
      > in _Eternal Shores_ which takes place along the North
      > Dakota/Minnesota/Manitoba border has some of this in it. (or am I
      mixing
      > a novel by another author, with an author in another series, both of
      > whom have this?)
      >
      > Think of the old carol "To Drive the Cold Winter Away"
      >
      > "When the ice is black,
      > and the snow is sharp,
      > and the horizon blends with the sky"
      >
      > When the hair in your nose
      > freezes, iced to a close
      > and your thoughts are fixed fast on the fire
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