RE: [mythsoc] Mary Sue Goes To Mordor
- "Mentor" is a word that's been corrupted by over-use in the business world,
true, but when you go back to the original Greek character it means a bit
(mn?tr, -tor??) (KEY) , in Greek mythology, friend of Odysseus and tutor of
Telemachus. On several occasions in the Odyssey, Athena assumes Mentor's
form to give advice to Telemachus or Odysseus. His name is proverbial for a
faithful and wise adviser. (Columbia Encyclopedia)
When you look at Obi-wan, Dumbledore, and Merlin in THWhite's books, you
find a teacher who is also at least as much a spiritual advisor. Not so
much for Gandalf, at least not within the time-frame of The Lord of the
Rings. Or maybe he's just more subtle and less structured about it than the
Don't you hate when a perfectly good word gets bent out of shape like that?
From: David S. Bratman [mailto:dbratman@...]
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 11:46 AM
Subject: RE: [mythsoc] Mary Sue Goes To Mordor
At 07:27 AM 3/1/2002 , Janet Croft wrote:
>Diane, I think you've hit on an interesting theme in fantasy, that I hopethe
>someone might pick up as a paper idea (hint hint -- thus speaks your
>friendly neighborhood paper coordinator!) -- the search for a mentor and
>process of learning to use one's powers and abilities. Gandalf, Obi-Wan,Just please don't use the word "mentor" to describe these mighty wizards.
>Dumbledore, and Merlin are obvious examples.
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>and David Bratman responded"
> Susan Palwick wrote"
>> I suspect that we always insert ourselves into texts, especially texts we
>> love, whether we intend to or not; part of the process of becoming a good
>> reader is becoming conscious of that process and controlling it
> I don't think I do that. At any rate, while I prefer stories withI've never been able to understand that kind of attitude in a reader. One
> sympathetic protagonists whose actions I understand, I never require that
> they resemble me, and I don't quite understand the common complaint of
> readers that they have to have a character to identify with, preferably one
> of their own sex/race/etc.
of the great joys of the written word is it allows the reader to experience
thoughts and emotions experienced by the characters which the reader might
otherwise never experience in the primary world. This differs from a
viewer's experience with film because the viewer always remains external,
whereas readers enjoy more of an internal perspective of characters'
experience like the puppeteer in "Being John Malkovich" literally seeing
through another's eyes.
I've never wanted to insert myself in stories I'm reading.
David also wrote:
> I see the story through whomever is the viewpoint character at theI'm abashed to say, I am most like Bilbo, except that I could never move
> time. If by "see yourself as" you mean, "whom do you think you could
> actually be?", that for me would be the same as "with whom do you
> identify?", which I would interpret as "whom are you most like?"
> And the answer to that for me would be Merry. (The real one, not the one
> in the movie.) We're both more captivated by maps and history than by
> Elves, we're more than a little pedantic (see Merry at the ruins of
> Isengard), and we're determined to carry on despite being stranded in Rohan.
silently like a hobbit. Somehow that seems a bit presumptuous to me, but I
think it is true, and I must say I'm disappointed, because my favorite
character has always been Gandalf.
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