Re: [mythsoc] Mary Sue Goes To Mordor
- In a message dated 2/27/2002 6:35:28 AM Central Standard Time,
> . IfI have to agree with that, although it may be a mental blindness on my part.
> the characters are making stupid choices though, I quit enjoying the story
> and find myself constantly saying, "What a bunch of idiots!".
If an up-to-that-point sympathetic character does something Really Really
Stupid, I tend to simply turn off and lose interest.
I think I'm a movie in the head type. I love to imagine stories, but it's
more fun to make up your own. I empathize with characters of either gender
and I love reading a good story about someone of another race or ethnicity
and empathizing with a whole different mindset, so I don't think empathizing
with the person most like you holds for everybody either.
I once read a book that suggested, quite seriously, that one of the roots of
the feminist movement was Saturday afternoon matinees featuring a western
Little girls had to empathize with John Wayne because the women were
invariably so stupid.
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>and David Bratman responded"
> Susan Palwick wrote"
>> I suspect that we always insert ourselves into texts, especially texts we
>> love, whether we intend to or not; part of the process of becoming a good
>> reader is becoming conscious of that process and controlling it
> I don't think I do that. At any rate, while I prefer stories withI've never been able to understand that kind of attitude in a reader. One
> sympathetic protagonists whose actions I understand, I never require that
> they resemble me, and I don't quite understand the common complaint of
> readers that they have to have a character to identify with, preferably one
> of their own sex/race/etc.
of the great joys of the written word is it allows the reader to experience
thoughts and emotions experienced by the characters which the reader might
otherwise never experience in the primary world. This differs from a
viewer's experience with film because the viewer always remains external,
whereas readers enjoy more of an internal perspective of characters'
experience like the puppeteer in "Being John Malkovich" literally seeing
through another's eyes.
I've never wanted to insert myself in stories I'm reading.
David also wrote:
> I see the story through whomever is the viewpoint character at theI'm abashed to say, I am most like Bilbo, except that I could never move
> time. If by "see yourself as" you mean, "whom do you think you could
> actually be?", that for me would be the same as "with whom do you
> identify?", which I would interpret as "whom are you most like?"
> And the answer to that for me would be Merry. (The real one, not the one
> in the movie.) We're both more captivated by maps and history than by
> Elves, we're more than a little pedantic (see Merry at the ruins of
> Isengard), and we're determined to carry on despite being stranded in Rohan.
silently like a hobbit. Somehow that seems a bit presumptuous to me, but I
think it is true, and I must say I'm disappointed, because my favorite
character has always been Gandalf.
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