Re: LOTR, a whine for Matt
- Responding to the message of <firstname.lastname@example.org>
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> From: Steve Schaper <sschaper@...>
> BTW, I have only received one copy of Mythlore since re-upping lastWell, I wouldn't have put it quite the way that Berni did, and I will observe
> fall. Ought that to be?
that Glen managed 4 issues per year for some years, however, the next issue has
been "95%-complete" since last November. I don't think we're going to see it at
Mythcon. The Council is expected to proceed with an issue maybe this fall,
under the new editor, Ted Sherman. IF he is elected in the fall election, we
expect to see a return to regular Mythlores within a year or so. I would guess
that we'll see at least a couple of issues next year, and possibly as many as
4--unless it remains a tri-quarterly, in which case, 3 would be the maximum.
Unless Glen's final issue comes out somewhere during that year....
In the meantime, please note that Mythprint comes out every month, usually in
advance of the cover month, like clockwork, ever since Ellie Farrell took
over--hm, was it 3 years ago, now?
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- In a message dated 7/26/99 8:53:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> I was just thinking about how many areas were roughly modeled onO.K., there's several problems here. "West Midlands" is a county in England,
> areas on England, esp., if I remember correctly, the West Midlands.
> There are certain types of hills or 'down's that they have in England.
> I'm not sure they have them anywhere else.
and it consists of Birmingham and its suburbs. There's nothing wrong with
Birmingham (after all, it's where Tolkien lived from age 4 to age 18), but
there's little there that looks like Middle Earth. The term "downs" is
usually applied not so much to the Midlands as to Southeast England. It
means treeless, undulating chalk uplands of the sort used for pasture. I
don't know if there is anything comparable to it in New Zealand. Is anyone
here an expert on New Zealand geography?
There's some very pretty patchwork-quilt sorts of landscape (like some of
Tolkien's own illustrations of his books) in the Midlands of England. You'd
have to point your camera carefully to avoid any signs of modernity, but in a
sense it looks like Middle Earth, I guess.
- WendellWag@... wrote:
>West Midlands is also a dialect area of Middle English--one of JRRT's
> From: WendellWag@...
> O.K., there's several problems here. "West Midlands" is a county in England,
> and it consists of Birmingham and its suburbs. There's nothing wrong with
> Birmingham (after all, it's where Tolkien lived from age 4 to age 18), but
> there's little there that looks like Middle Earth. The term "downs" is
> usually applied not so much to the Midlands as to Southeast England.
many areas of expertise--that is comprised of the western half of the
Midlands (middle) area of England. I can be more precise if you like. I
think the previous writer, to whom Wendell was responding, was using
West Midlands more of as a geographical area rather than a specific
- At 08:52 PM 7/26/99 -0400, WendellWag@... wrote:
>> I don't suppose anyone from Mythsoc is advising on this project?I've heard of various fans offering their services to the project, but I
>No, nor anyone from the (British) Tolkien Society, which would be an even
>more obvious choice. Apparently Peter Jackson has talked with Christopher
don't know of any who have been hired for it. As for Christopher, as far as
I've heard, he has not talked with the producers and is staying as far from
the production as he possibly can.
- I just wanted to further defend my saying:
> Actually, it makes sense to film in New Zealand.It would seem that if one were to make a movie about place X, the obvious
place to film it is in X. But that's not always the case. For instance, if
one wants to make a film about turn-of-the-century New York, with streets
crowded with immigrants and pushcarts, the best place to film it is not New
York, but (I'm told) Montreal, which has some streets that look like
turn-of-the-century New York.
If it's true that Tolkien based some scenes from _The Lord of the Rings_ on
places near where he grew up in Birmingham, it's also true that there's no
longer anything there that looks Middle-Earthish to my eyes. Birmingham
looks to me very much like a modern city. If I were to compare it to any
American city, it would be Baltimore. It's not that there's any particular
building or anything in the skyline of the two cities that looks particularly
alike, but they are of approximately the same size and both grew up in the
nineteenth century and were greatly built upon in the twentieth century.
They both seem to me to be generic bland big cities.
If we are to look further at the counties that constitute the western half of
the Midlands area, there are little pieces that would be acceptable terrain
for the Shire, assuming you do a little pruning of modern signs and such. I
think, though, that you would have a lot of trouble finding enough open space
even for scenes in the Shire.
On the other hand, I've been told that there are many different types of
scenery in New Zealand, and most of it hasn't been turned into a cliche by
overfilming (the way, say, that Monument Valley has been turned into a cliche
by Westerns). Peter Jackson has to film almost 9 hours of film set in a
large variety of kinds of scenery. Perhaps he has decided that wandering
around the world finding precisely the correct look for each scene would be
too expensive. Perhaps he is correct in thinking that he can find the
correct look just in New Zealand.
- In reply to my writing
> Apparently Peter Jackson has talked with Christopher Tolkien.Wayne Hammond wrote:
> I've heard of various fans offering their services to the project, but Idon't
> know of any who have been hired for it. As for Christopher, as far as I'veOops, I guess I shouldn't have believed the gossip I read about the making of
> heard, he has not talked with the producers and is staying as far from
> the production as he possibly can.