Re: [mythsoc] Re: Recent Suite101 Tolkien/Middle-earth articles
- I should have looked it up before I posted. According to yourdictionary.com:
Main Entry: shib.bo.leth
Pronunciation: 'shi-b&-l&th also -"leth
Etymology: Hebrew shibbOleth stream; from the
use of this word
in Judg 12:6 as a test to distinguish
Gileadites from Ephraimites,
who pronounced it sibbOleth
1 a : a word or saying used by adherents of a
party, sect, or belief
and usually regarded by others as empty of
real meaning b : a
widely held belief c : TRUISM, PLATITUDE
2 a : a use of language regarded as
distinctive of a particular
group b : a custom or usage regarded as
distinguishing one group
As the clock struck 09:55 PM 10/31/2001 +0000, Michael Martinez took pen in
hand and wrote:
>--- In mythsoc@y..., ERATRIANO@a... wrote:--
> > In a message dated 10/31/01 12:35:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > michael@x... writes:
> > << But there may also be a connection with the much
> > later 'Shibboleth of Feanor'. >>
> > The what?? And isn't Shibboleth a Hebrew word for something? Sure
> > the site but I'm just not online much lately.
>Yes, it is a Hebrew word, used in reference to the distinctions drawn
>between peoples. "The Shibboleth of Feanor" is a fairly late essay,
>published in THE PEOPLES OF MIDDLE-EARTH, which discusses how a
>controversy over the change in pronunciation of a specific sound
>(which occurred in his mother's name, and is represented by the Thorn
>character, shifting to an S-sound) led to a division of the Noldor
>into two linguistic communities, reflecting the broader division of
>the nation into what might be called two philosophical or political
>communities (although I think that is oversimplification).
>The Mythopoeic Society website http://www.mythsoc.org
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James P. Robinson III jprobins@...
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- On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 02:08:13PM -0500, ERATRIANO@... wrote:
> In a message dated 10/31/01 12:35:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,"Shibboleth" comes from Judges 12:6. My condensation of the story:
> michael@... writes:
> << But there may also be a connection with the much
> later 'Shibboleth of Feanor'. >>
> The what?? And isn't Shibboleth a Hebrew word for something? Sure I'd scope
> the site but I'm just not online much lately.
The Ammonites were attacking a region of Israel, and God sent a Gileadite
named Jephthah to take them out. After he came back successful, the
men of Ephraim, an ethnic subgroup, told Jephthah they were going to
attack him because they didn't get to go to the battle.
"Jephthah then called together the men of Gilead and fought against
Ephraim. The Gileadites struck them down because the Ephraimites had
said, 'You Gileadites are renegades from Ephraim and Manasseh.' The
Gileadites captured the fords of the Jordan leading to Ephraim, and
whenever a survivor of Ephraim siad, 'Let me cross over,' the men of
Gilead asked him, 'Are you an Ephraimite?' If he replied, 'No,' they
said, 'All right, say "Shibboleth."' If he said, 'Sibboleth,' because
he could not pronounce the word correctly, they seized him and killed
him at the fordes of the Jordan."
I've long considered this one of the more interesting stories in the Bible.