Re: [mythsoc] FIRST RINGS IN HOME STRETCH
- Let me ask a couple of dumb questions which arose out of the Mythcon
panel/interview with Philippa Boyens. I know some of you have been following
this much more closely than I.
They are being very cagey about the role of Arwen. It was popularly reported
that she gets more "action" by being the one who rides down from Rivendell to
help scatter the Black Riders - instead of Glorfindel. Is this a pretty
well-established fact? Or a canard? It's a decision I can certainly see a
Boyens felt that it was a wonderful stroke of fate, or luck, that Viggo
Mortensen got the role of Aragorn; the implication was that the first actor
they sought couldn't take the part, or had to relinquish it. Is this true,
and if so, who was it?
I have to say Mortensen in the trailers looks extremely close to "my"
Aragorn... but Blanchett's Galadriel... NO.
I'd been nervous about the shrinking-hobbits effects technique, but the shot
in the trailer where the Company goes through the snowy rocks of the pass was
wonderful: Dwarf, Hobbits, Elves and Men - it looked real, and seamless.
- --- In mythsoc@y..., Stolzi@a... wrote:
> They are being very cagey about the role of Arwen. It wasYou have to keep in mind that the people who actually know what the
> popularly reported that she gets more "action" by being the one who
> rides down from Rivendell to help scatter the Black Riders -
> instead of Glorfindel. Is this a pretty well-established fact? Or
> a canard? It's a decision I can certainly see a screenwriter
movie plots are have NOT been talking, except (I believe) in a couple
of rare cases where they have been carefully feeding disinformation
to fan sites (in some cases with the understanding of the fan site
operators that the information being supplied to them MAY include
some red herrings).
Also, some of the rumors that have been published derive from wild
speculations which arose in the wake of reviews of the first (two-
film) script that Peter Jackson had written for the Miramax movies,
and after the release/reviews of audition scripts which covered some
very non-canonical scenes and character interactions.
In other words, people (some on the inside) have been making up facts
as we all go along, and the waters have been thoroughly tromped and
If you want to see a concise list of all the known or alleged
deviations from the books, Tolkien Online has given Ancalagon the
Black's "Complete List of Film Changes" document a permanent home at:
Ancalagon does, in my opinion, give way too much weight to the two-
film/Miramax scripts, but in a few more months we'll get to see what
the first movie is really like. :)
As far as Arwen's role goes, that has reportedly be changed during
the process of the film-making TWICE now, and it's quite possible
that fannish reaction had some part in that decision (although I hope
not). There have been reports that Peter Jackson was not satisfied
with Liv Tyler's action acting, so he focused on her ability as a
character actress and he beefed up the relationship. So the spy
The whole Arwen-with-a-sword thing was always overplayed by the
media, however (she never was supposed to have a major role in the
movies) and fan sites that allowed the wailing and moaning to go on
month-after-month only made matters worse. I mean, even when it was
first reported that the role had been changed (sometime early last
summer), many fans continued to complain loudly and often about
warrior Arwen. It took months for word to spread that the sword-
wielding had been de-emphasized.
Now it has only within the last month or so come out that her role
may have been changed again. Liv Tyler returned to New Zealand for
the looping (re-recording of her dialogue) which had long been
anticipated, but apparently also engaged in a couple of weeks of
filming new footage. Other principal actors were also retained for
some extra footage.
Now, DOES ARWEN RIDE OUT FROM RIVENDELL? Such footage was shot,
yes. And some of the officially released publicity pictures show
Arwen carrying Frodo toward Rivendell with the Nazgul in pursuit.
For a long time fans believed (without any confirmation or denial
from the film set) that Glorfindel's role had been co-opted by
Arwen. Now, however, recent spy reports indicate that Glorfindel may
still meet Aragorn and the Hobbits on the road. (In the book, he
does tell them that other -- unnamed -- members of the Rivendell
community had been sent out, so there is some room for arguing if
people want to argue over the appropriateness of Arwen's going out.)
Will these scenes be in the movie? Wait and see. My guess is that
they will be there.
Will the Arwen-in-Rohan scenes make it into "The Two Towers"? My
guess is they will not. But Peter Jackson still has plenty of time
to decide what to do about "The Two Towers", even though I think a
first cut has already been made.
I, personally, look forward to Liv Tyler's portrayal of Arwen. But
then, I'm a Liv fan. So sue me. :)
- LURTZ !!!!!!!!>!???????????
Ah well, thank you, Michael. (Sigh)
As to my other question, anyone know what Boyens meant when she said it was a
lucky stroke that Viggo Mortensen came to be cast as Aragorn?
I haven't seen his acting, of course, but he LOOKS so right... a big relief
- --- In mythsoc@y..., Stolzi@a... wrote:
> LURTZ !!!!!!!!>!???????????said it was a
> Ah well, thank you, Michael. (Sigh)
> As to my other question, anyone know what Boyens meant when she
> lucky stroke that Viggo Mortensen came to be cast as Aragorn?big relief
> I haven't seen his acting, of course, but he LOOKS so right... a
> to me.By all accounts, Viggo Mortensen did everything possible to become
Aragorn. He even slept in a tent, took his sword home with him
(apparently the only actor to do so), and became so attached to his
horse that he purchased it when filming was complete.
Based on the clips I have seen, Viggo's performance should be a
I think the casting is pretty much on the money. Some of the
depictions are too medieval or RPGish, but only a real nit-picker
would care and I doubt even I will be doing too much nit-picking. It
should be a grand movie-going experience for anyone who has read the
Eventually, someone else will do the movies again, and their
adaptation will be rebuked, criticized, flamed, clawed, shredded, and
rumored to death before the ink has even dried on the financial
contracts. That's life.
- In a message dated 8/9/01 4:58:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Viggo Mortensen did everything possible to becomeOK, but my sense of her words was that somebody else was originally lined up
for the part, and I wondered who?