Re: [mythsoc] SEARCH FOR ATLANTIS
- <<Part I. treats Plato's account of hearing his uncle's account of Atlantis,
absolute fact, which is surely dubious.>>
Dubious is putting it mildly. I can't see Atlantis being like a
pre-christian Urban Legend with everyone, and his uncle, having a mysterious
sunken city in their garden pond. I think, although I wasn't there to see
it, that the most likely supposition is true; Plato made it up, perhaps with
some influence from existing fokelore, but Atlantis, the real Atlantis,
surely never existed. That said, I did see a wonderful documentary on UK TV
about 2 years ago which was marvelously entertaining, even going so far as
to say that Atlantis was actually closer to modern day Mexico than ancient
Greece and that it was flooded by melt water from the glaciers of the last
ice age. No doubt those are the same glaciers that were "really"
responsible for Noah's flood, the glaciers that preserved the loch Ness
monster and the glaciers that were implicated in Watergate. Absolute
nonsense, but "good TV" anyway.
<<Then the part about Columbus gave us the popular myth of the Evil Spanish
Inquisition out with torches against anyone who had New Ideas - like
The Spanish Inquisition? I would never have expected them in a documentary
about a search for Atlantis. <g>
<<Never mind that Columbus was a devout son of the Church, filled
his letters with pious palaver, and used to board at monasteries when he was
in town begging money from Ferdinand and Isabella. (And has even been
proposed for Sainthood, though he hasn't made it.)>>
Correct me if I'm wrong, but towards the end didn't old Columbo go a bit
daft? I heard that he considered himself to be God's right hand in the New
World -- sort of like a deputy-Christ.
At any rate Columbus was a lucky fool. As the saying goes, he left not
knowing where he was going, when he got there he had no idea where he was
and when he got back he'd no idea where he'd been. <g> That's right, make
him a saint.
- In a message dated 09/11/2000 2:16:02 PM Central Daylight Time,
>And besides, St. Brendan had already been there, and him in a mere little
> At any rate Columbus was a lucky fool. As the saying goes, he left not
> knowing where he was going, when he got there he had no idea where he was
> and when he got back he'd no idea where he'd been. <g> That's right, make
> him a saint.
skin curragh, begorra :)
- In a message dated 9/11/00 2:25:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Stolzi@...
<< One issue included an
article about Atlantis, Mu and Lost Continents in general, by L. Sprague de
Camp, whom I later met as a science fiction writer. It took up Plato,
Donnelly, and Churchward (the guy who invented Mu/Lemuria) and others,
dispatching them with a good deal more skepticism than did the A&E show. >>
There's a 1946 book by L. Sprague de Camp and Catherine C. de Camp (his late
wife) called _Citadels of Mystery_ (a.k.a. _Ancient Ruins and Archaeology_)
which is about similar things.
- In a message dated 09/10/2000 12:10:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
<< the trailers have
suggested that the idea of Atlantis was behind some of the seafaring of
Columbus and others.
>>That's typical media hype. Columbus was looking for a better route to the
profitable spice trade of the far east; I'd be surprised if he had even heard
I have always personally thought the most fascinating lesson we can learn
about Atlantis and its cousins Mu and Lemuria is the degree to which wishful
thinking and fancy can overrun reason and knowledge in so many. What other
subject has spun so vast and detailed a web of nothing out of so little
- In a message dated 09/11/2000 11:25:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<< dispatching them with a good deal more skepticism than did the A&E show.
>>A&E will only embrace skepticism when it improves their ratings (which it
will never do, at least not in this anti-rational age). For the forseeable
(sans crystal balls and tarot cards) future, I think they will go for the
sensationalized pseudo-mystical mind-candy it churns out at present.
- In a message dated 09/14/2000 8:09:47 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Columbus was looking for a better route to theActually according to the show, he was interested in an island, said to be
> profitable spice trade of the far east; I'd be surprised if he had even
> of Atlantis.
out there, called "Antillia." Which I suppose today's Antilles are named
- In a message dated 09/14/2000 9:09:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<< What other subject has spun so vast and detailed a web of nothing out of
Well, there's always the Holy Grail. But the Atlantis stuff is vast indeed.
> <<Then the part about Columbus gave us the popular myth of the Evil Spanish<montypython>NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!</montypython>
> Inquisition out with torches against anyone who had New Ideas - like
> The Spanish Inquisition? I would never have expected them in a documentary
> about a search for Atlantis. <g>